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Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

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Post by malermeister »

keiferski wrote: post #60

I bookmarked this comment a few months ago because I thought it was hilarious and increasingly accurate: It's approaching a very strange situation where people make overly wordy and bloated AI generated content and other people try to use AI to compress it back into useful pellets vaguely corresponding to the actual prompts used to generate the initial content. Which were the only bits anybody cared about in the firs…

So basically, lossy compression at a huge energy expense. Thanks, AI geniuses!

Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

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Post by lolinder »

DanielHB wrote: post #139
keiferski wrote: post #60

I bookmarked this comment a few months ago because I thought it was hilarious and increasingly accurate: It's approaching a very strange situation where people make overly wordy and bloated AI generated content and other people try to use AI to compress it back into useful pellets vaguely corresponding to the actual prompts used to generate the initial content. Which were the only bits anybody cared about in the firs…

It is really interesting because I have been using LLMs a lot for reading legalese documents. At least in the realm of Legal matters we already have this dynamic of "people make overly wordy and bloated LAWYER generated content and other people try to use LAWYERS to compress it back into useful pellet" So at least for legal documents this LLM craze is a big improvement! It is much harder to out-spend other people on…

Obligatory warning: a lot of what seems like bloat in legal documents is there for a reason and has a specific purpose that your LLM isn't guaranteed to be able to handle. Sure, some lawyers add bloat just for the sake of it, but in many cases the text is there because it changes or clarifies the meaning of the surrounding document in a way that matters in court.

An LLM can probably help you understand the document if you're using it side by side with the real thing, but in this context it sounds more like you're using it to summarize.

Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

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Post by xnorswap »

DanielHB wrote: post #139
keiferski wrote: post #60

I bookmarked this comment a few months ago because I thought it was hilarious and increasingly accurate: It's approaching a very strange situation where people make overly wordy and bloated AI generated content and other people try to use AI to compress it back into useful pellets vaguely corresponding to the actual prompts used to generate the initial content. Which were the only bits anybody cared about in the firs…

It is really interesting because I have been using LLMs a lot for reading legalese documents. At least in the realm of Legal matters we already have this dynamic of "people make overly wordy and bloated LAWYER generated content and other people try to use LAWYERS to compress it back into useful pellet" So at least for legal documents this LLM craze is a big improvement! It is much harder to out-spend other people on…

In the case of lawyers though, it's more akin to paying someone to find and document edge cases.

That tends to end up verbose.

In the case of other realms, it's just padding because previously word-count was a metric used as a proxy for quality or depth of analysis.

Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

#154

Post by szundi »

DanielHB wrote: post #139
keiferski wrote: post #60

I bookmarked this comment a few months ago because I thought it was hilarious and increasingly accurate: It's approaching a very strange situation where people make overly wordy and bloated AI generated content and other people try to use AI to compress it back into useful pellets vaguely corresponding to the actual prompts used to generate the initial content. Which were the only bits anybody cared about in the firs…

It is really interesting because I have been using LLMs a lot for reading legalese documents. At least in the realm of Legal matters we already have this dynamic of "people make overly wordy and bloated LAWYER generated content and other people try to use LAWYERS to compress it back into useful pellet" So at least for legal documents this LLM craze is a big improvement! It is much harder to out-spend other people on…

I thought this is the case until I had an exit and I myself was actively participating adding to the contracts.

Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

#155

Post by lolinder »

bloomingkales wrote: post #55
talkingtab wrote: post #34

Much of the trash on the internet has nothing to do with AI, but instead is caused by using AdSense type funding. If you have a site and use revenue from ads as your funding, then the way to in increase your revenue is more show more ads. So add more fluff, move the actual thing people are looking for to the bottom, etc. Oh and add controversy, "The only authentic". Then add sex - a suggestive photo. The thing is tha…

Let’s also add the fact that most sites cannot afford AI.

Have you looked into OpenAI's GPT-4o pricing lately? They charge $10 for 1M output tokens, or 500k tokens for the price of a $5/mo VPS.

If we assume a generous 2 tokens per word on average (OpenAI suggests it's actually 3 tokens per 4 words), that's still 5 full 50k word novels worth of text every month for the price of a single DigitalOcean droplet.

Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

xnorswap wrote: post #153
DanielHB wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is really interesting because I have been using LLMs a lot for reading legalese documents. At least in the realm of Legal matters we already have this dynamic of "people make overly wordy and bloated LAWYER generated content and other people try to use LAWYERS to compress it back into useful pellet" So at least for legal documents this LLM craze is a big improvement! It is much harder to out-spend other people on…

In the case of lawyers though, it's more akin to paying someone to find and document edge cases. That tends to end up verbose. In the case of other realms, it's just padding because previously word-count was a metric used as a proxy for quality or depth of analysis.

In effect, we pay lawyers to be ridiculously pedantic for us where pedanticism is required or desired.

That level of pedanticism elsewhere, though, is incredibly annoying or precisely what is not desired.

Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

#158

Post by rahoulb »

keiferski wrote: post #60

I bookmarked this comment a few months ago because I thought it was hilarious and increasingly accurate: It's approaching a very strange situation where people make overly wordy and bloated AI generated content and other people try to use AI to compress it back into useful pellets vaguely corresponding to the actual prompts used to generate the initial content. Which were the only bits anybody cared about in the firs…

I feel the real problem comes when people stop publishing on the (open) web because 1) no-one is reading it directly and 2) they know their hard work will just get slurped up and regurgitated by LLMs.

Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

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Post by [deleted] »

ericra wrote: post #99

I like the general idea of this, but this feels like it is trying to do too much. Removing ads, trackers, and unnecessary widgets is mostly a solved problem using unlock origin (+ possibly privacy badger). I think it is a step too far to try and completely remove the step of actually visiting the website you get content from. This is the same thing Google is trying to do with their AI summarizer in search. Is the exp…

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Re: Show HN: Cut the crap – remove AI bullshit from websites

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Post by evertedsphere »

keiferski wrote: post #60

I bookmarked this comment a few months ago because I thought it was hilarious and increasingly accurate: It's approaching a very strange situation where people make overly wordy and bloated AI generated content and other people try to use AI to compress it back into useful pellets vaguely corresponding to the actual prompts used to generate the initial content. Which were the only bits anybody cared about in the firs…

It's approaching a very strange situation where people make overly wordy and bloated AI generated content and other people try to use AI to compress it back into useful pellets vaguely corresponding to the actual prompts used to generate the initial content.

ah yes the reverse autoencoder

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