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Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

#121

"Free" is the worst pricing of all. Open-source is great. One time purchase price is great for products that don't require maintenance. Subscription pricing is perfectly valid for online services that are not open-source. Free? Free is the worst. I don't get any trust that the service will stay around, it can completely change along the way to "paid", and I don't get to keep anything in that case.

Where's their source code? I don't see anything open-source

AFAICT they're not, and I think that's the point of GP's criticism. If it were FOSS you would have the option of figuring out the hosting and migration story yourself if the company goes under.

Without that you have to rely on them surviving if you want to use their platform long term.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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https://www.atlassian.com https://tara.ai Your branding is awfully similar to Atlassian. Not saying it's intentional, but considering you are pitching yourself as a Jira alternative, it would be wise to differentiate yourselves a bit more. Specifically talking about the logo and color.

You're right.

Let my introduce you to "Dotan's Blur Test": Blur your eyes a bit when looking at the two homepages so that the shapes of logos and text disappears but the colours and placement stay the same.

I cannot tell the two logos nor pages apart in the blur test. That may draw fire from Atlassian's legal team, and should probably be addressed.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

#123
post #76

https://www.atlassian.com https://tara.ai Your branding is awfully similar to Atlassian. Not saying it's intentional, but considering you are pitching yourself as a Jira alternative, it would be wise to differentiate yourselves a bit more. Specifically talking about the logo and color.

You're right. Let my introduce you to "Dotan's Blur Test": Blur your eyes a bit when looking at the two homepages so that the shapes of logos and text disappears but the colours and placement stay the same. I cannot tell the two logos nor pages apart in the blur test. That may draw fire from Atlassian's legal team, and should probably be addressed.

On second thought, all publicity is good publicity. Maybe drawing the attention of Atlassian would be good from a marketing perspective. They would effectively let Atlassian initiate a comparison between the two products.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

#124

"Free" is the worst pricing of all. Open-source is great. One time purchase price is great for products that don't require maintenance. Subscription pricing is perfectly valid for online services that are not open-source. Free? Free is the worst. I don't get any trust that the service will stay around, it can completely change along the way to "paid", and I don't get to keep anything in that case.

We're a few months away from introducing Tara premium, which includes access controls for teams and user level permissions (ie contributor, etc), and is based on simple subscription based pricing. It's pretty much what our users have asked for, and we're continuing to listen to their feedback.

That being said, our entire ethos is to have a functional free forever plan, where users can manage their tasks and run their sprints, without worrying about hitting a 10 user limit, limited-time trials or task limits. We're avid supporters of open source, and we believe closed source software should have wider availability. So much of B2B software is behind paywalls, demos and short trials, hence our approach.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just made this live: https://help.tara.ai/hc/en-us/articles/360051704951-Gitlab-I... Basically, RN its a webhook. Once active, you can view merge requests related to a task, when synced. Over time, we should be releasing a full fledged Gitlab bi-directional sync and app (similar to our Github app here: https://github.com/marketplace/tara-ai ) Our Github app also allows you to view stale PRs that are blocking the spri…

Is there a reason for announcing it now, when it's incomplete and less useful, rather than once it's done (or more feature complete, at least)? I ask because this seems like the sort of thing I would look at, then shrug off because it's not all there, as I don't want to put time and energy into learning a product that will have the features I want "some day", so I'd be likely to skip out on it for now and then forget…

Solid point, but I would counter that a feature or a product is never truly complete. The goal should be to get to a stage where users can derive value from the feature (or product), and ship.

In our case, the main ask from developers is the ability to sync/connect their tasks to merge requests on Gitlab. v1 of the integration does exactly that, and additional elements will be shipped over the coming weeks as users activate the integration.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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This is a bit of a meta-discussion (apologies to the people at Tara, they did a fantastic job!), but is the market really large enough for the insane amount of productivity tools that have been released over the past few years? From Airtable, to Monday, to Hugo, to Tara, to Asana, etc., etc. It feels like there's a lot of stagnation here, also. If I was building a product management tool, I would certainly not make i…

At it's core, we find it to be an Apple OS vs Windows OS problem. You can either build highly complex project management systems, with 50 different types of subsets, customizations and setup instructions (ie Windows?) or try to design software that just works through simplicity in design and set defaults based on your workflow (ie Apple!). It's an interesting conundrum and one that we think B2B software rarely gets r…

The problem here is that processes in enterprises are never default. Depending on the company the requirement to these processes are always different.

Tools like Jira reflect these complexity on us during customization and are rated by their capability to handle them.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

#127

From the privacy policy: https://tara.ai/privacy/ "THIS IS A WEBSITE PRIVACY DRAFTED UNDER U.S. LAW. THIS POLICY IS NOT INTENDED TO SATISFY ANY 'FAIR PROCESSING NOTICE' OBLIGATIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE UNDER GDPR OR OTHER APPLICABLE NON-US LAW." As a European, it's very unfortunate that I'm not legally able to try your product.

> As a European, it's very unfortunate that I'm not legally able to try your product.

How is that their fault? They did not have the resources to follow your nation's regulations, so they chose not to support you. Perfectly reasonable business decision. Vote for better laws or move if you want to be able to take advantage of startups that cannot get past your regulation barriers.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To set up my question, maybe I should share a sort of hazy crackpot vision or dream. So when I look at Git, I see a variety of postmodernism that's like “look, we’re not being pretentiously intellectual or even pessimistic—we’re being realistic , software just is a postmodern world, Alice and Bob both have software that they call ‘Linux’ on their laptops, and they just aren’t the same source code, but they are both L…

holding 'truth' as a single fixed thing is not 'modernist' any more than being relativist is true because it is what people do in some social setting. you are talking about philosophical relativism and using a philosophically progressivist bias to claim legitimacy. at some point, Alice and Bob's linux will diverge to the point that Charlie will recognize neither as being linux, at which point there needs to be some b…

I’m not sure that we should read postmodernists as being willy-nilly relativists. Like certainly the sort of “practical postmodernism” that I see in Git is not willing to say “Linux is BSD” the way a relativist might. Linux is a unix kernel and more broadly an operating system and a community led by Linus Torvalds for several years and a dozen other things besides, postmodernists would claim—and that there is no Archimedean “sturdy enough place to stand” to tell you which of these definitions is the “best”—but it is not a bouncy castle or a monad burrito tutorial or whatever nonsense I just “cook up”. Like the philiospical postmodernists’ criticism of the modernist “reason is going to solve the problem of finally accessing truth and we are gonna have a big truth party” is that reason essentially makes a 2D projection of a 3D truth, and so you have to approach the same truth from multiple perspectives with reason to get a full appreciation for it. Reason does not eliminate the problem of perspectives—sort of a Platonic fallacy, that reason will give you one single “world of the forms”—and that it shouldn’t even try because perspectives are great, let’s have some more perspectives.

I’m tying this to the notion of Git’s branching model of course, each branch being something of a slightly different perspective or reference code for the same amorphous project of Linux. What consumers receive is just that then, a perspective on the broader project, one particular snapshot with various patches and so forth. In an OOP analogy Linux is a class and they receive an instance of that class, maybe.

But yeah I think I am with you, dissociating from all fixed concepts altogether is probably not a great direction to go with this. You want some project organization and request or issue tracking. I am sorry if I sort of was suggesting that issue-tracking at all was meaningless, I definitely don’t agree with that. But I do think it instead has something to do with recognizing that the code to resolve an issue (if there is code at all, if it's not just getting closed as works-as-intended) leads to that issue having a “status” which needs to be tracked across multiple branches, and that this process is tedious and error-prone when we try to do it by hand.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

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From the privacy policy: https://tara.ai/privacy/ "THIS IS A WEBSITE PRIVACY DRAFTED UNDER U.S. LAW. THIS POLICY IS NOT INTENDED TO SATISFY ANY 'FAIR PROCESSING NOTICE' OBLIGATIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE UNDER GDPR OR OTHER APPLICABLE NON-US LAW." As a European, it's very unfortunate that I'm not legally able to try your product.

Are you routinely putting GDPR sensitive information into your ticket tracking system? I'd suggestion most people shouldn't irrespective of GDPR. And if you don't then those terms aren't an issue.

I don't think GDPR differentiates between sensitive info you asked for, and sensitive info that somebody chooses to put in a field not meant for it.

It's both great because it prevents loopholes, and shitty because you have to consider GDPR for fields that definitely should never have any PII in them.

Re: Show HN: Tara – A free Jira alternative, now with Gitlab

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FWIW, they explain exactly how they'll make money in the website (under Pricing) and in this thread. No, they explain how they currently hope to make money. That's a long way from being the same thing.

This is such a nothing statement. How is that different from setting a price list on their website? They hope people will pay them doesn't mean they will

> This is such a nothing statement

Nope

> How is that different from setting a price list on their website? They hope people will pay them doesn't mean they will

Agree; I would make the same comment if someone claimed a price list meant a business was stable and worth relying on.

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