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Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by orbifold »

Sarkie wrote: post #15

The thing with all these plugins, I shouldn't care as a user, I should be informed about these issues. If you use http://www.sublimetext.com/ you will get a dialog when scripts are running slow, as in, "Script XYZ took more than 1 second to process this file, you can disable it" All I want in FF or Chrome is the same. "Adblock blocked the UI for 4 seconds" "Adblock increased memory consumption by double" Or they coul…

At least in Chrome you sometimes see a notification in the lower left hand corner, something along the lines of "waiting for Adblock extension".

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#102

Post by jlcummings »

Kabacaru wrote: post #80
Dewie wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like an opt-in "subscription service". I pay x$ per month and a program automatically divides that and donates to the various sites that I've used. There would also be some way to customize it to make sure that certain sites gets more money, and others less. In turn, maybe the websites register my donations via cookies and then cools down on the ads.

I think Flattr is probably what you're describing ( https://flattr.com/ ) Description: Whenever you read, watch and listen to content you want to support, you simply flattr it. Remember that you can flattr as many times you want during a month, as you never will exceed your chosen budget. At the end of each month, we divide your budget into as many pieces as you made flattrs. For example 25 flattrs will divide your b…

I am pleased to see this as I had been tossing around a similar idea as a first-line alternative method of moderation, where commentary/open collaboration would be restricted to those with skin in the game, so to speak, and more or less without concern for the degree of skin in play.

As far as distribution, is it correct that enrolled partners who host/integrate see a flat 5 percent, the flattr service gets 5, and "creators" see the remainder of 90 percent from a things share of committed flattrs?

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by kuschku »

jacobolus wrote: post #12
forrestthewoods wrote: post #5

I rage quit Firefox years ago because it's impossible to discuss it's critical perf issues without people pointing shifting blame to plugins. It got so bad I ran clean installs that never had a plugin ever, still had perf issues, and people on the internet simply refused Firefox could be at fault. I switched to Chrome and have never looked back. I also have never had a single issue with any AdBlock plugin in Chrome.…

Once you get past about 30 tabs, Chrome performance drops through the floor while memory usage just balloons; by contrast, both Firefox and Safari hold up pretty well. That, plus sending every keystroke in the URL bar to Google, and a bunch of really quirky UIs that I deeply dislike, keeps me from using Chrome for anything but testing. Edit: This seems to be a controversial comment. I’m curious whether folks disagree…

And the worst thing is: Chrome still doesn't properly support HiDPI on Linux or Windows. The bug got closed as: "Working as intended, just zoom into the page".

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#104

Post by zorbo »

sabret00the wrote: post #90
zorbo wrote: post #30

HTTPSB just isn't userfriendly enough for me. I run Adblock (not plus though) + Ghostery, and perhaps they use more memory and CPU, but if they do I've never noticed nor cared about it. Their userfriendliness is amazing though. HTTPSB randomly cripples sites, much like NoScript, and I really can't be bothered to deal with that anymore. With Adblock + Ghostery I feel completely in control. If I want to enable the Disq…

Sorry to be slightly off-topic, but since you mention NoScript and are familiar with that, this (HTTPSB) and ABP, can I ask. Is HTTPSB more of a NoScript alternative or an ABP alternative?

From the little experience I have with HTTPSB, I'd say that it was more of a NoScript alternative. It feels to me like a webbrowser firewall. They seem to have moved into the adblocking field now though. Here's how I see it:

* Adblock (Plus): Blocking ads, No / minimal user action required

* NoScript: Blocking scripts. Lots and lots of user action required.

* Ghostery: Block privacy intrusions. Basically an application-level firewall for the browser. In a normal firewall, you'd block e.g. port 80 from IP x.x.x.x. In an appliction firewall you simply block, for instance, bittorrent traffic. Minimal user interaction required, and where it is required, it's very easy to use.

* HTTPSB: A low-level web browser firewall ("block port 80 from IP x.x.x.x) that now also does (better) adblocking. The adblocking is on par with Adblock (plus): no user action required. The browser "firewall" is basically unusable. Lots of user interaction required, and when it is required, it's basically impossible to understand.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#105

Post by driverdan »

cw0 wrote: post #62
mike-cardwell wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we make it difficult for services to be ad funded, perhaps alternative methods of funding will emerge. Perhaps alternative methods of service delivery will emerge too which don't require large companies to build their own data centres (peer to peer, distributed). I don't get rid of ads on my systems because they're annoying. I do it because they introduce massive single points of failure, they add massive centrali…

The problem is that the alternative to ads is a paywall.

That's a false dichotomy that assumes there are only two solutions, ads or a paywall. There are other solutions, including ones that haven't been invented yet.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by zorbo »

rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

By that logic, we shouldn't have done anything about pop-up windows with ads either? Yet we did, and the world was a little bit better for it. Naturally advertisers, being the sneaky shits they are, didn't learn their lessons and are now repeating the same tactics with javascript/html5 overlays. When those become too annoying, we will find a way around those too, and the world will keep on running.

To me, it's simple economics. If their contents is worth it, they'll find a way to monetize it. If they can't find a way to monetize it, then the contents wasn't worth it.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by beagle3 »

sabret00the wrote: post #90
zorbo wrote: post #30

HTTPSB just isn't userfriendly enough for me. I run Adblock (not plus though) + Ghostery, and perhaps they use more memory and CPU, but if they do I've never noticed nor cared about it. Their userfriendliness is amazing though. HTTPSB randomly cripples sites, much like NoScript, and I really can't be bothered to deal with that anymore. With Adblock + Ghostery I feel completely in control. If I want to enable the Disq…

Sorry to be slightly off-topic, but since you mention NoScript and are familiar with that, this (HTTPSB) and ABP, can I ask. Is HTTPSB more of a NoScript alternative or an ABP alternative?

I have the impression it's mostly a RequestPolicy replacement; but not using Chrome I haven't actually had a chance to use it.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#108

Post by randunel »

The only reason I'm using an ad blocker is because of Youtube's ads. I think the whole marketing industry took a big hit when Google introduced ads to Youtube, because lots of people were forced to install the ad blockers. All of my friends use ABP now......

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by dredmorbius »

joosters wrote: post #91
rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

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Nice. Just sourcing that: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/461383-people-are-taking-the...

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by Spittie »

zorbo wrote: post #82
mkesper wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trusting Adblock is hard because of the "acceptable ads" feature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus#Controversy_over_...

As far as I know (anybody please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this), it's Adblock PLUS that can't be trusted. Adblock (without the plus) is a completely separate project that's much more trustworthy. Adblock PLUS basically usurped Adblock by appending a "plus", making it seem like it's somehow better than Adblock.

It's not like that. A long time ago (2005?) there was an extension for Firefox called "Adblock". Eventually the development of this extension died, and it got forked with the name "Adblock Plus" in 2006 or so.

The Adblock you're referring to (the Chrome-only extension, right?) was published in 2009. As you can see, Adblock Plus predates it by 3 years or so.

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