Con: The leadership is typically really, really bad. Either clueless, sociopathic, selfish, or a combination of those three. Many founders become C-level by default without ever having to learn the skills they would need to have if they had to get hired by another organization. Con: As mentioned by others, compensation and especially equity are ridiculously out of balance. A few years ago, a startup I was at (and had…
The leadership problem is a big issue. I'm currently looking for work in the post startup world, places that are "rapidly growing" and filling up their engineering teams. On Glassdoor I see the same exact comments, and it's something I've personally experienced as well Pro: the engineering team is great and you'll learn a lot on the job Con: management is constantly shifting focus so you end up working on features fo…
Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
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Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#822Pro (from my personal perspective, YMMV): You get to work on something that will actually see the light of day. For me, there's nothing worse than being this tiny little cog in the machine that comes into work from 9-5 and produces something so microscopic that you question your importance at all. Working at a startup means you have to pull your weight, wear many hats, and get shit done. This also means you can climb…
See, I'm the opposite. I couldn't care less about the importance of my work. I work for one reason and one reason only: to fund my life. I just want to put in my eight hours a day, draw a paycheck, and then go home and have fun.
And I honestly like the idea of being anonymous. I just want to blend into the background and not be noticed, and I couldn't care less about climbing the ladder because my career is the least important thing in my life.
> Most of my friends that work at larger public tech companies — it just feels like they're constantly doing unimportant things, going to conferences just for the sake of it, getting into work late and leaving early.
Honestly, that sounds like paradise to me. I'm pretty satisfied with my current job, but if I wasn't I'd definitely be asking you for the names of some of those companies.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#823Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm not sure how H1B salaries compare to the overall average. H1B salaries are typically lower than average. Why do you think companies spend millions lobbying for more H1Bs? To pay them more than average? :-) Also, keep in mind Google only has to disclose base salaries for these H1Bs. For a staff engineer, most of the total comp would be in bonus pay and especially RSUs. They can easily be making $400k or more thr…
Do you have evidence that people coming on an H1B visa get paid less than their non-H1B coworkers (at same level / same seniority / same office) at Google?
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#824Telling me that 0.001-0.004 of current equity pool (maybe-worth-something) > 150k cash now isn't usually convincing, especially if you have a lot of college debt and no safety net out of college.
This is just equity+base comp. I don't know how to price / factor in food, caltrain pass, healthcare, 401k matching, life insurance, discounts, performance bonuses, refreshers, and the fact that my job provides growth / would give me level match if I switched to a similar company (for example L5 SWE @ Google -> L5 SWE @ Facebook, vs VP of Eng at some startup -> L3 at Facebook...).
If you're good enough to get into Google/Facebook on a good team, it's scarcely worth it to join a startup as an early employee if you optimize at all for expected value.
That said plenty of FAANG employees feel limited career growth in the roles/teams they end up on, which is the main case a startup would look appealing. But also internal team transfers aren't that hard and you get to keep your nice comp.
One more datapoint: I have a friend who would totally work in startups despite high comp at a great company -- his blocker is US citizenship / worries for his family if the company goes under.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#825The basic problem right now is that adding capital dilutes labor, but adding labor doesn't dilute capital. I think this is one of the biggest problems the blockchain can solve by driving down the costs of double entry accounting by at least an order of magnitude.
This is super interesting but I don't quite understand it.. Can you explain how adding capital dilutes labor? Also, how does blockchain make it cheaper to do double entry accounting?
With blockchain though you can give equity in realtime, e.g. every 5 minutes that people are working, rather than once per year or whatever. The fact that work and equity distribute can both be monitored very granularly at no extra cost means that labor can (and will) be given equal footing with capital, rather than having hiring and compensation changes approved periodically by investors with little to no input from labor.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#826Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is super interesting but I don't quite understand it.. Can you explain how adding capital dilutes labor? Also, how does blockchain make it cheaper to do double entry accounting?
When you bring on new investors, it dilutes the equity of employees. But when you add more employees, it generally doesn't dilute the equity of investors. Rather, pools of equity are created periodically for employees with investor approval, and employees get options from that pool. With blockchain though you can give equity in realtime, e.g. every 5 minutes that people are working, rather than once per year or whate…
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#827Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good point. Let's say you do have that experience or skill in building a sea-worthy ship. Let's say you are more valuable than your founder given where the company currently is. Maybe the company is in the growth stage, and your skills matter more to the company's survival than the founder. Why, oh why, does the founder make out like a bandit, and you make out like a chump.
I mean...so go do it ? That’s the point. You might be a better version of Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, but if you’re not striking out on your own you will never get the rewards of the person who actually did do it. At this point all you’re saying is what the bitter/jealous little boy says “oh I could do that” while watching from the sidelines.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#828No healthcare at a startup.
The one time I worked at a startup, the lack of healthcare made me borderline suicidal. I was beginning my gender transition when I worked there, and my doctor bills were bankrupting me. Never again. Never ever ever ever again. I'm not touching a company with fewer than 500 employees again.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#829We go to the startup for a thrill. For doing something you strongly believe. For creating something that didn't exist before. If you think you can do it in a big org, too, you are right, now go and try, get a job at Cisco or AT&T. Innovating there is like driving Kia Rio vs Porsche: it's a car, too. It goes thought the motion. But the thrill is not there.
Many people are happy in big companies. They won't be happy at startups. They're no worse because of this. Different stokes for different folks. There is no objective pro's and con's for startup vs big corp. There are properties, that match personal traits. The key is to know yourself and what are yours. Trouble is, we don't always know what we want, worse yet it changes over time with experience. And once we finally learn it, it's time to retire. Life is fun.
Now, you don't want to be taken advantage, right, so all written here about transparency, cap table, etc are the right things. Do check. Don't take below-market salary for the mirages of future. If you don't do these basics - you failed intelligence test and shouldn't be hired.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#830Informal atmosphere, flat hierarchies, open mindedness are some terms that perfectly describe work environment at a Startup. So, if you are bored of your organization’s formal work environment, then Startups have a better place to work at for you.
Real ownership & Results:
By working at a Startup, you can have a freedom to work. If you have an idea, execute it, and come up with the results. There is no need to follow a hierarchy and take multiple approvals. In case, your idea is a big hit, just enjoy the equity.
Experience:
Startup gives you ample of opportunities to take decisions and that too quickly. This would not just help you in learning but also help in gaining experience in case you have plans to initiate your own startup.
Sense of Accomplishment: Working at a startup gives tremendous & quantifiable impact. Startups give you a position to be an integral part of the system that plays an important part in the fine working of the business. The sense of accomplishment one gets from this is something that money can’t buy.
Diverse Work Day :
Work day at startup is not like 9-5 corporate job. You do not have to go to office to do the defined tasks & come back home. Instead every day, in fact every minute can be unpredictable about work. There are different clients and different work, and you would have to manage all simultaneously. So, one another best aspect about working at a start-up is, you won’t be bored!
The bad side:
Lack of structure: Due to inexperience of leadership, if management loses sight of team/cost/communication of strategy with investment, then one has to face the consequences and bear the burden.
Perk-less salaries: Yes, startups have fund raising issues. So, do not expect big salary package in the beginning. There is even no scope of any sort of perks or monetary benefits in the initial years of the Startup.
Lack of work life balance: Startup also means a lot of work, which demands extended work hours. You might enjoy flexibility in work style, however it would surely demand more time from you. So, be prepared to give extended working hours to your job and compromise with work life balance at initial stage of startup.
Job insecurity: Your career is directly proportional to the growth of the company. If its future at stake, so is your career. Chances of instability are thus high with startup companies.
Now that you know the good and bad side of working at startups, take decisions wisely and then work hard to enjoy success.