I get calls for $70/hr jobs, but my job pays more. So... not sure how to take it.
Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
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Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#82I've seen two things:
1) There is a strong Cargo Cult ideation in our industry. Hence every startup is looking for a React developer who also have experience with Kafka and BigQuery.. and .. and... . And when the followed cults like Tesla, Netflix, .... began to layoff, guess what? our little cargo cult followers began to layoff, because that is the way to become the next Uber,Tesla,Netflix,whatever....
2) Lot of MBA C-Suite admins have arrived to our industry. And this is bad. We are not more an isolated island where code reigns, defines our position inside the hierarchy and so on. Now, politics, friends, nice looking people rule our dens. We are the operatives, the Storm Z cannon fodder. For every one of us, there are 300 waiting in line to "do the job".
Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#83My advice is build your network. If you haven't already start now. It's how I landed my job.
Any advice on how to build your network if you are trying to switch industries? (E.g. I am trying to get out of web development into something less vulnerable to offshoring)
Unfortunately there's no silver bullet.
Mostly networking is revolving around making strong long-term connections, I got my job because I was close to my co-founder, then she reached out to some friends, one of whom was a recruiter and I got an interview.
Another was staying in touch with someone who was my boss 16 years ago, we re-connected and I was able to get prep for interviews at his company.
Another was a engineer I worked with, and you guessed it, got a referral to his company and some prep.
The wider the net, the more likely you'll know someone in a different industry. I have contacts now in AI, Video games, SAAS startups, FAANG, etc.
Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's kind of crazy to me.. what kinda of skillset/experience do you have? I'm still getting regular recruiter spam here in The Netherlands. Even though June/July/August are dead months.
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Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#85Way better than 2023. 5 YOE web developer. From Argentina, though, we are benefitting from offshoring of course. But last year I had months with 0 reach outs. Nowadays every week at least 2 to 3 even with the looking for job Linkedin feature deactivated. Last month around day 10 I made [this]( https://i.imgur.com/uWoGaM3.png ) taking note of reach outs. My personal anecdata, ofc...
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Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#86Way better than 2023. 5 YOE web developer. From Argentina, though, we are benefitting from offshoring of course. But last year I had months with 0 reach outs. Nowadays every week at least 2 to 3 even with the looking for job Linkedin feature deactivated. Last month around day 10 I made [this]( https://i.imgur.com/uWoGaM3.png ) taking note of reach outs. My personal anecdata, ofc...
Upvoted your post because I think what you're seeing is the flip side of so many devs in the US (especially junior devs) seeing a bad job market, and also significant downward pressure on salaries. Of course outsourcing existed before the pandemic, but the pandemic really made everyone get used to working remotely, so now there is hardly any difference working between devs in the same city vs thousands of miles away,…
Yes, of course it may be influenced by that but there were some companies from my cuontry reaching out to me as well. Not only software consulting companies from USA. Also, if you are in the west coast the timezone difference might be a nuisance tho. But for east coast companies yes, it can be a great deal.
Just as a sidenote: I've been job searching up until July and always took a look at the Who is hiring threads and saw that most of remote jobs are still for Europe only if company is EU based and USA/Canada if they're USA based. Though don't know how representative are people hiring from this platform.
And this caught my attention as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/1edipfw/... considering it may be one of the most pessimistic communities out there. Haven't seen an optimistic post there for a while.
Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's kind of crazy to me.. what kinda of skillset/experience do you have? I'm still getting regular recruiter spam here in The Netherlands. Even though June/July/August are dead months.
# Anthony Ettinger - ettinger@gmail.com, +14086562473 - Location: Los Gatos, CA USA, US Citizen (Native English speaker) ## Executive Summary Contractor @ Profullstack: I'm looking for fullstack javascript remote roles or technical co-founder (ISTP-T) with an interest in leading engineering teams. ## Work Experience #### Tomahawk Edison Sciences Inc. | Remote (Engineering Lead, Commercial Solutions, Apr 2024 - Presen…
I had a feeling that might have been the case; my profile is more backend/data but I've kept a decent skill level in frontend. The pure web frontend jobs seem to have dried up. Especially as an older developer (I'm in my mid-40s) as frontend is often entry-level, there are an army of kids who can hardly code but are cheap and make things look "good".
Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#88My advice is build your network. If you haven't already start now. It's how I landed my job.
Any advice on how to build your network if you are trying to switch industries? (E.g. I am trying to get out of web development into something less vulnerable to offshoring)
Attend social events in the industry you're trying to switch to.
Re: Ask HN: How are you finding the job market in July 2024?
#89I've been a software dev for almost three decades and manager the last few years of it. I've been looking for work for over 6 months. Granted, I'm trying to move back to SWE work but have been somewhat opeN to EM work.
Finding work is harder than 2008 and even harder than 2001. It's as bad as tech has ever seen.
For EMs, middle management is always the first to get culled. That was me. And there are about 10% or less EM roles to engineer roles.
No one has said it but my management years away from daily coding likely count against me.
What more, I'm seeing far fewer Staff+ roles now than in the past several years. Anecdotally, from a recent employer, I had the impression that company was attempting to hire fewer staff+ to (1) outsource more and (2) hire more people at lower levels and (3) both 1 and 2 together.
The net effect in the US is seeing many more "senior" roles (we love our title inflation in Tech where "senior" tends to mean "has more than 2 years experience") or extremely specialized roles where exceptionally few people would have the skill set at the required experience level.
The VCs and the bigger firms evidently were heavily leveraged in low interest rate loans. Raising rates meant less money to play with and lower profits. Employees are the biggest cost center so that's where companies cut.
Without significantly lower interest rates, I suspect Tech is going to experience something of a depression in terms of unemployed/under-employed software developers.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're spot on, but it's worse the closer you are to "scene" Valley/startup flavor companies, and much better in boring old profitable businesses. Unfortunately the former are more fun to work for (before they drive you insane).
I had a period in the early 10's where I worked with a lot of startups and it made me very cynical (though it could be said that that's more or less my default anyway); it was clear to me early on that most of them were just a retread of someone else's big idea (social network site for animators back when MySpace was fading and Facebook was booming is one that comes to mind that I actually encountered, though I tend…
One thing that I often see when I look at these companies is that we’ve reached a point where we don’t really need everyone to work 40+ per week.
But, the people with money are willing to spend a mint to make sure that the most capable are working 50-60+ and that it looks like we are at full employment.
It’s not any one person, it systemic. But it’s a whole farse where programmers are so efficient that rich people are using them to suck value out of the economy in a way that returns very little value.
On the other hand there’s systems control programming and stuff that interacts with the physical world that returns incredible value, but there really aren’t enough of those jobs for the programmers we have and they don’t rent to pay big tech salaries.