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Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by acomjean »

reacharavindh wrote: post #76
acomjean wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the system 76 AMD model for work called Pangolin (not available now) it really quite fast and doesn’t get too hot. Battery life is great. I’ve stressed tested doing genetics work which involved maxing out 16 cores across a couple days. Those new AMDs are great. I went with the system76 because it comes with and they support Linux. It sleeps and wakes ok too

Same question- does it sleep/resume instantly like a Mac? If you shut the lid and come back in say 8 hours, will the battery be empty or does it really “sleep” like a Mac and retain most battery?

It retains it battery as far as I can tell. I use it daily and haven't had any battery issues day to day. I do tell it to "suspend" before I go home out of habit. Though at work its plugged in.

I used the machine last night on battery a couple hours and this morning I charged for 15 minutes then off to meeting where I used the machine. I'm back and 10 minutes in the battery is now at 85% (In the meeting and using the battery for a little presentation).

The longest time in my bag has been 3-4 days and the battery has not trickled down to zero. its kinda a movable desktop for me mostly.

I have an 7th or 8th gen intel version of the oryx pro. That machine has pretty dismal battery life, but it does game with Nvidia power.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by asah »

karussell wrote: post #43
pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

Looks indeed interesting. But compared to e.g. MacBook Air it can get very loud :)

and also 2560 × 1600 retina display vs 1920 x 1200 pixel 170 PPI - I don't see myself going back...

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by smoldesu »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #52
dvdkon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to work, S3 suspend is a problem-free experience on both Linux and Windows . But some genius thought that laptop hardware needed power management more like a phone without all the software being built for it, with no fallback.

In my Windows experience since 2000, closing the lid to sleep did not work on Toshiba Satellite, HP NW8000 series business machines, HP Elitebook, Dell Precision, and still does not work on Dell Latitudes. And I believe those were all business grade laptops, except the Toshiba Satellite.

At least on Linux, machines that have proper suspend states integrated into their CPU should get picked up by the kernel and managed properly. My T460s with an i7 6600u sleeps and hibernates just fine, but my 12700k desktop still doesn't know what to do in suspend/hibernation states. Hopefully AMD is doing better with this these days(?)

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #39
mh7 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well not even Windows can manage to sleep a 'modern standby' laptop reliably these days. I had to set hibernate on lid-close because Windows kept waking it up all the time even while closed.

I have always been curious why I have been seeing people with MacBooks close their lids and walk away at a moment’s notice for nearly 20 years, but I still do not expect to be able to do that from any non Macbook. Such a killer feature that one would think Microsoft would prioritize.

it seems like more often than not my macbook completely drains its battery or comes out of my backpack hot when I just close the lid.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

yewenjie wrote: post #9

Related question: does anybody exclusively use any Linux distro on MacBooks in a VM? What is the tradeoff and how is your experience? I want the MacBooks for the battery backup, but I cannot live without NixOS, and seems like Asahi is still a few months away.

> but I cannot live without NixOS,

Just to double check: nix on Darwin isn't good enough?

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by rgoulter »

yewenjie wrote: post #9

Related question: does anybody exclusively use any Linux distro on MacBooks in a VM? What is the tradeoff and how is your experience? I want the MacBooks for the battery backup, but I cannot live without NixOS, and seems like Asahi is still a few months away.

One of the most popular NixOS configs on GitHub does this https://github.com/mitchellh/nixos-config

The README describes the experience, though the author takes the approach of using the VM mainly for terminal-based stuff.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by queuebert »

judge2020 wrote: post #62
cultofmetatron wrote: post #15

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> I've literally burned myself / That can't be good for the longevity of the device.... or of you for that matter

> for the longevity of the device.... I doubt it's really baking itself; most devices have a lower temperature target set in the software/firmware so that the user doesn't burn their lap, but the default thermal management behavior is done completely on-die.

I always wonder whether the heat calculations are correct. For example, if you compute the equilibrium temperature in a room on a table, then you get a cooler temp than when sitting on a lap that is 98.6 F. If the temperature sensor is near the CPU (i.e. one boundary of the heat equation solution), then it might not see more than a degree or two difference in very different external environments.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by cwaffles »

reacharavindh wrote: post #74
cwaffles wrote: post #27

How is the battery life on Asahi (eg 16in MBP)? I'm debating this versus the HP Elitebook 865[0], which has 64GB ram, top spec Ryzen, and a 72whr battery. They claim 22h battery life, and 13h of youtube playback. [0]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/mdp/hp-elitebook-865

I have heard a glowing review of this hp elitebook 865 with Ryzen from someone I know. Although they only use Windows. I’m quite interested in knowing if it can sleep/wake-up like a Mac on Linux. This is my practical choice for a personal Linux machine.

Good to know! I'm also considering the Schenker[0] with 99wh battery, or the Starbook[1] as they seem to be linux friendly

[0]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-Vision-14-Laptop-in-r...

[1]: https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/starbook

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by folkrav »

csdvrx wrote: post #70
folkrav wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being constrained to a single keyboard layout all your life sounds awfully limiting. I literally swap between completely different keyboards often (ortholinear/standard staggered/split layouts/etc). It takes some getting used to in the first couple of weeks, but once you're used to swapping layouts often, your brain just adjusts automatically.

There are some gains from being able to adjust, and some other gains for being able to use any computer with the same shortcuts and the key where I expect them to be. Personally, I prefer the gains from the latter approach: for example, I use ThinkPad bluetooth keyboards with eink tablets and Termux when I want to switch to something easier to my eyes. Keeping the same environment (ssh + tmux + bash + vim) with simil…

> my workflow and habits have become very independent from the hardware

Isn't being constrained to a particular keyboard layout being _really_ dependent on hardware, to the contrary?

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by nkobber »

nkobber wrote: post #3

Many features are not supported yet. For example adjusting screen brightness, internal speakers and power management. Have a look at https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

EDIT: Power Management works. What I meant is that sleep does not work
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