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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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It's interesting to understand why facebook got so much wind.

And why Friendster didn't and how FB kneecapped and murdered MySpace in a back alley and got away with it.

I think facebook's main "revolution" is that it was the first internet as real society platform. Others were websites to make profiles, myspace added artists, but facebook was all about the "real you".

It was just ripe for when internet became a plausible soil for society.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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On linux, Microsoft teams will change your system sound settings to match its preference. This includes Bluetooth headphones no longer being available to the system. Then, it decides the system settings are beneath it and will only use its own device settings. And it will decide now that your fancy Bluetooth headset is gone, there is also no need for that crappy internal microphone either, so enjoy not having any mic…

Install Microsoft Edge for Linux and use the web version through that. Really, it's a great solution. I've done it for a while. I don't use edge for anything else but it runs teams.microsoft.com great

I do this too now (except I use the chromium skin instead of the edge skin). I think this is about the same experience minus the device and settings issues.

Also, don't try to do this with firefox: various features (such as sharing your screen) are not available in firefox.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Install Microsoft Edge for Linux and use the web version through that. Really, it's a great solution. I've done it for a while. I don't use edge for anything else but it runs teams.microsoft.com great

Before installing Edge I checked out the maintainer scripts bundled into its deb. As a result I have vowed it will never sully any machine I am responsible for maintaining.

Any particular horrid details you'd like to share?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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The chat button for Teams on my macbook pro does not show up. On another older macbook pro, it works. I've seen this random issue showing up on forums, and there's never any working solution. It's just so weird, and I can't participate in any chat conversations. :shrug:

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Communications software needs to run when and only when I want it to run. Who in the heck are you to tell me when to run an application on a device I own?

No, communications software needs to be in the background ready to use at an instant when needed. There are many people who need more personal discipline to not contact people constantly, but the software itself should be ready for the times when they should contact you, interrupting whatever it is you were doing.

dear lord, I hope you're not a PM at Microsoft.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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I've worked at the same place for years, and they switched to Teams a couple of years ago. I can't change their decision, but I can work for somebody else, and having to suffer through this crapware is pushing me in that direction. "Must use Teams" is a huge red flag for any potential job offer.

I use alternate tools in addition to Teams. And I use my budget to pay for other tools.

Sadly, I'm suffering from a top down "you must use Teams" mandate.

I hate Teams, but here, I'm going to have to be on it anyway. Slack and other clones are better... but fragmenting communication between two different platforms (one of which must be Teams) is worse than just dumping everything into Teams and being done with it.

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Before installing Edge I checked out the maintainer scripts bundled into its deb. As a result I have vowed it will never sully any machine I am responsible for maintaining.

Any particular horrid details you'd like to share?

I seem to remember it messing around with libraries in /usr/lib (overwriting symlinks from other packages IIRC). Whatever problem they were trying to solve, hacking around in the postinst script with files that you don't own is not the right solution!

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Yup. It might even be that while the engineering team is aware of the faults, the MS exec team considers Teams to be brilliant. At the senior level the role becomes a sales role - you are continuously selling your output, team, product, vision, etc internally to the other execs, board, etc. It's important therefore to present whatever you are producing as exceptional. So you look for indicators that support your pitc…

Was looking for a good place to post this in the thread but I'll just drop it here. Microsoft Teams still lacks multi-account support on desktop. As in, you can't sign on to several business organizations like you can in Slack. It's so dumb and disqualifying. Utter nightmare if you work with several organizations. https://feedbackportal.microsoft.com/feedback/idea/c9995dc8-... I've bookmarked that page and I check in…

> As in, you can't sign on to several business organizations like you can in Slack. It's so dumb and disqualifying. Utter nightmare if you work with several organizations.

I think they were really hoping they could make that cross-tenant thing work where you only have one account that you can use as a guest in other orgs, but that really doesn't reflect how things work in the field (you have separate accounts at each organization).

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...for the business strategy: 1. Neutralize the threat from Slack (AKA Salesforce) 2. Give Enterprise sales teams a checklist item 3. Don't spend a dime more than necessary on software development 4. Integrate with the rest of the MS enterprise product line On top of those goals, the internal sponsors of Teams have to survive the savage internal politics at Microsoft, so the product is designed to threaten no importa…

Remember that Microsoft has had a UC/chat app forever. Teams in comparison to Skype for Business is an improvement.

Yes, I agree. Skype is even worse, maybe just because it's older and has been neglected longer.
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