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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Charging a sub for things like heated seats is obviously broken, but I also don't know if people have an appetite for what the upfront costs would be for many pieces of software that are currently subscription based, in order to provide support for any length of time. Look at the pricing for IDA, which tries to balance having an astonishingly good product, but very limited market, for how this can end up distorted wi…

> The same logic holds for things like recurring subscriptions or ad-supported content - much smaller amounts, but many more sources, adding up to mitigate this problem. And at some point your customers are saturated. How many subscriptions before they can't afford another subscription? After all, if they're subscribed to the max, it's not as if their budget will have room for another one next month, or even next yea…

Indeed; from my perspective, from the people I know who regularly use enough subscription services that they're close to or saturated, they will drop something they're not using as much if they need e.g. Photoshop for just one month, or the like, so even that mixed subscription revenue of only getting a month every so often is a win for them in that case...

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Spotify doesn’t need to “get better” - you’re paying the fee for streaming rights to an ever-growing content library. Same with Netflix, etc. There’s also an unspoken but important accounting detail here - if you run an online software business and offer a one-time, lifetime purchase for your product, you are now contractually on the hook to provide that service to customers forever, even if your business stops growi…

Not really, support for software, especially games are discontinued publicly all the time. The real rule is not pissing off your customer base by taking important services offline while they still use that particular product. Doing so would be a PR blunder, and obviously effect sales of future products.

Sorry I think you misunderstood my point - if you want to continue providing a service to customers that runs online, then a one-time payment doesn’t work as a business model. The fact that they have to shut down game servers is a testament to that problem. At some point the costs exceed the revenue and it becomes unprofitable to honor the lifetime purchase.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Spotify doesn’t need to “get better” - you’re paying the fee for streaming rights to an ever-growing content library. Same with Netflix, etc. There’s also an unspoken but important accounting detail here - if you run an online software business and offer a one-time, lifetime purchase for your product, you are now contractually on the hook to provide that service to customers forever, even if your business stops growi…

> for streaming rights to an ever-growing content library Ever-growing my ass. I've had lots of songs on my playlists removed because they were taken off the platform. And not some obscure acts, for example Westbam's Götterstrasse (which features anybody, from Brian Molko and Iggy Pop to Kanye and Lil' Wayne).

Spotify added over 20M new tracks to its library last year.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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I’m happy with the way JetBrain’s pricing work: pay a subscription to get the updates, but you’re free to cancel at anytime and you can continue using the product as-is as long as you want.

Not as is. Instead as it was at the start of the current subscription period.

Ah, thank you.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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> Globally networked computers exist and they trivially render any information abundant at negligible costs So you'll be okay with me photocopying a printed book you published and giving it away for free, because "trivially" is a relative term, and I can certainly "trivially" reproduce your book a million times (compared to 12th century monks copying holy works by hand)? > Attempting to make it work requires the dest…

> So you'll be okay with me Yes. > And I suppose copyrighted printed books (and poems, and song lyrics) destroyed "free press" as we know it? That's not what I was talking about. The destruction of free computing will come about due to copyright enforcement and the technology necessary for its implementation. Copying is a fundamental computer operation. If I'm in control of the computer, I can make it copy anything i…

Derailed discussion. We're talking about what should be legal, not what should be permitted by silicon. I'm not interested in debating this, other, topic.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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post #553

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IntelliJ you buy and you keep what you buy. That's it. You can pay each year to buy the "latest" version, with a price decrease every year until the 3rd year. You can use the version you buy forever.

IntelliJ is still getting worse regardless of their subscription plan (and it is getting more expensive). I think it took the wrong turn around a year ago at the same they changed the splash screen (that is why I remember it), after that the updates have been worse.

So you can just stop paying and use the version you like forever.

Done. Everything else is meaningless.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#707
I'd be happier to rent more if housing wasn't a disproportionately large share of my rental budget. Software developers continue to develop/maintain software in perpetuity. Landlords on the other hand have no incentive to do anything, because if tenants don't rent they simply die ignored on the street. So I suppose I am tired of renting.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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post #518

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> Sure but buying a DVD isn't great either as it has a real destroying the earth cost for something that can be delivered to me using a negligible amount of energy digitally. I Then buy the streaming version. If it is available by DVD, then you can probably find it available to purchase digitally.

Please enlighten me where I can buy a streaming movie that can be watch without login, transferred to another service or transferred to another of my devices.

Movies from Sony, Universal, Disney, WB can be watched through multiple services.

https://moviesanywhere.com

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#709

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> Sure but buying a DVD isn't great either as it has a real destroying the earth cost for something that can be delivered to me using a negligible amount of energy digitally. I Then buy the streaming version. If it is available by DVD, then you can probably find it available to purchase digitally.

Really? Just as a litmus test, the last movie I pirated was a 10bit 4k rip of "The Matrix" which comes in at about 40gigs. This is about the level of quality I'm looking for in a file I buy, sorry if I was misleading w/ my mention of DVD. Practically speaking this is similar to having a *.flac of a song, as it enables me to transcode to lower quality versions for use on different devices from a high quality master. I…

Yes, you can purchase or rent the physical copy.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#710
Software development is expensive, and selling a product needs frequent support and updates, which is also expensive. The best working model is buying a product with one-year long support, and you own the product forever. I bought Camtasia in 2018 and while their updates were not frequent and it stopped right after the next version. Still, I can use it forever. Fortunately, there are always open-source alternatives for tech needs, even if it's less friendly or bundled with issues and bugs.
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