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Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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You think HN is pro-Trump? Quite the opposite from what I can tell! But I have also noticed that any story mentioning Trump gets flagged. I don't see this as fascist so much as it seems like there less than zero desire to see the name of Trump regardless of whether the story is positive or negative about him. And yes, there are some things that are coming out of legislation which would usually be of big interest to H…

XLibre gets voted down because all of the project lead's freedesktop PRs were reverted for being crap, and nobody has any faith in the project, especially when Wayback now exists I mean, him being a notorious crackpot doesn't help, obviously. But it's a project with absolutely minimal promise.

Fair enough, but why snuff out X11 so aggressively when there seems to be several/many use cases where Wayland just isn't there yet? I would hope that the apparent forcing of Wayland onto distros and DEs could be addressed without reference to the person forking X11 into another project.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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"Anti-fascists" were saying things like "Keir Starmer is a Fascist" (sci-fi writer Charlie Stross) or that "My local police department is Fascist" or "White people are Fascist" If you know your 'Pataphysics or Chaos Magick you know that's a magic spell to put fascists in charge.

So you can't call fascism fascism because some idiot called not-fascism fascism?

You can but people won’t listen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Trump has given power back to the states for various things and seems to be consistently anti-war. Musk has been pushing the idea of starting a new political party to better represent the people and is for less regulation and smaller government. This doesn’t sound like a couple of fascists.

Yes it does

It's fascist in the anti-communist sense sure, but most Americans would be fascist then.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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When I first moved to the Bay Area, San Francisco was described by one person to me as "quite conservative actually." At the time, that seemed unlikely. However after a while, I can now see why this is the case.

Rich people tend toward whatever helps them get richer. Whether they agree with the ideology or not.

See also: Why US presidents present as happily married and religious, no matter what the reality is.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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I have trouble taking people seriously when they refuse to call things what they are because they don’t want to admit it.

Trump has given power back to the states for various things and seems to be consistently anti-war. Musk has been pushing the idea of starting a new political party to better represent the people and is for less regulation and smaller government. This doesn’t sound like a couple of fascists.

That's very much a rules for thee not for me scenario. Watch Trump regarding California and try to claim he's all about state's rights.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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>Musk has been pushing the idea of starting a new political party to better represent the people and is for less regulation and smaller government. This is self-contradictory gibberish. Deregulation and small government for him means further weakening labour laws to the point where the interests of the majority of Americans, ie, wage workers, have no ability to advocate for their needs and no recourse when he encroac…

It's only war when the guy i don't like does it. Otherwise it's "intervention" or "police action" or "limited engagement" or the term du jour

The US special operation in middle east.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Is HN is the institution? As a recruitment board for YC, of course it is. Are there openly fascist posters in most relevant threads? Definitely. Would I describe the average community member as such? No.

Extremely silly to describe YC as "pro-fascist". It's like claiming State Farm is "pro-fascist".

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Fascism implies (paraphrasing Wikipedia): * a dictatorial leader * an authoritarian government * nationalism and/or racism * militarism * promotion of a "natural order" I don't think any of those accurately characterize a dominant ideology on HN. If anything, in my observation, HN is somewhat libertarian-leaning, rather than fascist.

Even that is an incredibly vague and ahistorical definition. It’s strange how much ink is spilled over redefining ‘fascism’ in as vague a way as possible (thinking of Eco here, who remains perennially popular among those who tilt at hooked windmills). Mussolini did a great job as delineating exactly what fascism was, and the NSDAP fit it, but in general it really doesn’t fit states outside of that particular time and…

No, that's approximately the definition you'd find in Payne's text. It's just missing modernism and state religion.

Re: Ask HN: Is HN Pro-Fascist?

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Yes it does

It's fascist in the anti-communist sense sure, but most Americans would be fascist then.

No, it's fascist in the sense of nativism and public-private collaboration that was normative in fascist states. Most Americans are ambivalent to communism.
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