Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has been law in Colorado for 2 years and applies to anyone offering jobs to any Colorado resident including remote jobs. The law passed in 2019 and went into effect Jan 1, 2021.
And yet many job postings, even those that are only in Colorado, still don't have the salary on the job posting.
Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#72The real question is why HN is filled with people that have values completely orthogonal to the VC space, like people wanting to leverage the law to make other people do things.
This whole idea that founders and capitalists contribute some special sauce to society and therefore shouldn't be regulated is some old fart libertarian Randian fantasy silliness and I'm glad it's being called out. That sort of thing just doesn't work in civilized society.
Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with the sentiment but maybe you can see this post as them doing that very thing but aimed at YC. While I agree normal HN posts don’t need to be policed, the ads for hiring at YC companies aren’t normal posts.
Sure. But if someone wants YC to enforce posting salary ranges in job posts they might want to take that up privately with YC management rather than starting with public criticism. In other contexts people usually advocate "praise publicly, criticize privately." If the OP thinks YC job posts break the law or fall short of ethical rules then I suggest asking YC about it rather than accusing YC companies of "breaking h…
There are also zero posts disparaging the company, YC, or HN. Any particular range you're upset about this?
Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#74The real question is why HN is filled with people that have values completely orthogonal to the VC space, like people wanting to leverage the law to make other people do things.
And besides, VCs and their portfolio companies leverage the law to make other people do (or not do) things all of the time. IP law being an obvious example.
Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#75Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean do the ethical thing, not just the legal thing?
> You mean do the ethical thing, not just the legal thing? Can you clarify what you mean by "ethical" in this case? It's not obvious to me which ethic / whose interests deserve priority in a case like this.
It's also contrary to the ideals of a free market, if that matters to anyone.
I'll admit that it's ethical if one's ethical framework is based on Pirates of the Caribbean. "Take what you can, give nothing back." Which probably is pretty common, especially among people who succeed at business.
Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#77Probably because HN is not a law enforcement agency for New York City. The law has some exceptions, perhaps those apply. Why not contact the company and politely ask for the salary range?
Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#78* Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads.
* If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to show an "estimated salary range" on your job so they pick up more clicks when they syndicate your job to other sources (i.e. email alerts and other job boards).
* If you are uncompetitve on wages, fix it. Even though there's a lot of doom and gloom out there, the truth is that unemployment did not go up in November.
* If you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application. A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later.
Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#79I found an example on today's front page (Rutter): https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/rutter/7b222f5f-cd46-4592-9cf8-6cd1... No salary range posted, job is in NYC.
14 minutes later, it now has a salary range: > $175K-210K base compensation 'Post about the problem on HN' shows its power once again.
Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?
#80Probably because HN is not a law enforcement agency for New York City. The law has some exceptions, perhaps those apply. Why not contact the company and politely ask for the salary range?
This is a good way to get subpoanaed, sued, and see every one of your start-ups fined for each and every violating post.