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Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by pimeys »

capableweb wrote: post #51
pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

Thanks a lot, not just for the recommendation of the new ThinkPad models, but for the link to that website. I had no idea about it and it seems to be very extensive in their reviews, which I love. It'll get a lot easier to find a good alternative now! Thanks a lot!

Nice! That website is (at least here in Germany) kind of a standard for laptop reviews. They always go with the same formula, same tests, same report. It's very easy to see how the different models compare.

Sadly they do not test with Linux though...

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by VMtest »

NateEag wrote: post #32
willnonya wrote: post #16

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I've recently started a trial of NixOS on a Framework laptop. It's definitely not ready for a normal person, that's true. I'm working in text files to configure things, and had to debug the GUI not starting after my initial install. That said, I was pleasantly surprised how much the basic Gnome desktop just got right after initial setup. My Bluetooth earbuds were plug-and-play, and watching Netflix in Firefox just re…

how does the new deep sleep s2idle work compare to older gen of laptops?

some people reported that a night costs 20 - 30% of battery life on framework laptop (after they configured s2idle deep properly), but nobody cares to measure the possible battery life difference between s2idle deep and s3

edit: I have 11th gen i5 intel nuc, but I didn't check whether the deep sleep works or not since it's a desktop

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by worthless-trash »

acomjean wrote: post #37
pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

I have the system 76 AMD model for work called Pangolin (not available now) it really quite fast and doesn’t get too hot. Battery life is great. I’ve stressed tested doing genetics work which involved maxing out 16 cores across a couple days. Those new AMDs are great. I went with the system76 because it comes with and they support Linux. It sleeps and wakes ok too

What kind of sleep and wake ? (hibernate / s3, etc ?)

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by reacharavindh »

cwaffles wrote: post #27

How is the battery life on Asahi (eg 16in MBP)? I'm debating this versus the HP Elitebook 865[0], which has 64GB ram, top spec Ryzen, and a 72whr battery. They claim 22h battery life, and 13h of youtube playback. [0]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/mdp/hp-elitebook-865

I have heard a glowing review of this hp elitebook 865 with Ryzen from someone I know. Although they only use Windows. I’m quite interested in knowing if it can sleep/wake-up like a Mac on Linux. This is my practical choice for a personal Linux machine.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by reacharavindh »

dmm wrote: post #44
loudmax wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for S4/suspend to disk level hibernation, but regular S3/sleep when I close the lid has worked perfectly for me since 2008. That isn't to say that it's worked out of the box. When I install Linux on a laptop, I'll put some effort into making sure everything works as wanted and this might involve adding kernel flags or mucking with dbus, and it certainly involves some research. If you expect any open sou…

Unfortunately s3 has been removed from everything after tiger lake in intel chips, replaced with s0ix, which has caused a bunch of problems. For example, https://old.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/ill_have_w... Sleep works fine in my alder lake(12th gen) Framework on Fedora, as in it actually sleeps when you close the lid, but it won't last a week like a mac.

By any chance do you know if AMD Ryzen CPUs retain the s3 sleep/resume facilities? As in can I get a Mac like suspend/resume behaviour with Ryzen and Linux?

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by reacharavindh »

acomjean wrote: post #37
pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

I have the system 76 AMD model for work called Pangolin (not available now) it really quite fast and doesn’t get too hot. Battery life is great. I’ve stressed tested doing genetics work which involved maxing out 16 cores across a couple days. Those new AMDs are great. I went with the system76 because it comes with and they support Linux. It sleeps and wakes ok too

Same question- does it sleep/resume instantly like a Mac?

If you shut the lid and come back in say 8 hours, will the battery be empty or does it really “sleep” like a Mac and retain most battery?

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by rowanG077 »

bestouff wrote: post #63
rowanG077 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this really a power management issue and not the issue that the CPU is constantly hard at work rendering the UI?

Nope, it's power management. It's not implemented yet, so the laptop doesn't sleep and doesn't even throttle. "In the future" it should work though.

Power management should work for the most part. Sleeping and hibernation doesn't work yet but it should definitely scale to your load. All the usual things like setting the performance governor should work. See the driver discussion here: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pm/20220504075153.185208-1-mar...

If you have issues with this please report it to marcan (or somewhere on IRC in the project or whatever).

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by sliken »

Tsiklon wrote: post #34
pabs3 wrote: post #31

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Hmm, I thought the GPU driver was already pretty good?

Good progress is being made with a GPU driver, but currently as released rendering is all being done in software.

Yes, software rendering you install asahi Linux. Although I've seen comments that the overall interactive desktop is faster than the dev's previous laptop with GPU acceleration.

However great progress is being made on GPU driver. Check Alyssa Rosenzweig @alyssa@treehouse.systems and Asahi Linya @lina@vt.social on Mastodon. They have MPV (video playback) and a few 3d accelerated games @ 4k working. There's still a ton of work to be done, but it's making nice progress.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by smoldesu »

karussell wrote: post #43
pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

Looks indeed interesting. But compared to e.g. MacBook Air it can get very loud :)

Compared to a Macbook Air it can also run x86 OSes, Docker and 32-bit software. There's really no comparison :)

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by whatwherewhy »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #61
osigurdson wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has traditionally believed in abstractions (i.e. interfaces) while Apple believe in concrete implementations. Abstractions are flexible but always leak and therein lies the problems. I think the interface approach made sense I earlier days of computing. These days it is better to make a zillion, exactly the same computer like Apple does.

So it is technically impossible with Microsoft’s software? Surely Microsoft has the resources to coordinate hardware and software with Dell/HP/Lenovo on making at least 1 reliable line of laptops where you can close the lid and reliably expect it to instantly sleep and not randomly wake up.

I bet Microsoft would like that - they tried and then after it didn't work out for 2 decades of laptops they started making their own hardware. The 3rd party vendors don't care too much to change the ways they work - they juggle the hardware they put into the laptops all the time, one model-year can have over 100 variants (some Lenovo models go into thousands). Apple has few standard components shared across all products and that's it.
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