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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

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post #62

Similar situation here with over 30 years experience. Early on there were some obvious flaws in my resume, cover letters, and interviewing. Some of that can be fixed and some of that is just me being anxious and autistic which isn't going to completely go away though to some extent that can be controlled. In general there is a problem that I mostly interview with people who have around 5-15 years of experience and to…

In any good place to work, specific tool experience shouldn't matter unless the company is in a very specialized niche. This is especially true considering you come in with 30 years experience.

To be honest, it sounds to me like the headwinds you're really encountering are ageism and your interviewers are trying to throw you off that scent for liability reasons.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

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post #37

Assuming you are making it to final rounds, 40 interviews, at an average of 6-8 per company, means you have been rejected by 5-7 companies. If you are aiming for only FAANG-equivalents then competition for the open positions is obviously intense, and your experience isn't too out of the ordinary. I'd wager the best programmer on the planet will have a You have two paths forward. Either double down, do more coding pre…

> I'd wager the best programmer on the planet will have a This made me wonder, is it true? I've often stumbled on LC tests, in ways that I (funnily enough) wouldn't have failed myself for. Off-by-ones, went down the wrong path initially but found the right one and ran out of time, that kind of thing. I suppose it depends on where you set the bar. What are people's experiences? The worst cases for me is when it's an a…

There's a lot of positions in the 200-300k range that aren't as petulant in hiring and probably better places to work anyway?

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

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post #62

Similar situation here with over 30 years experience. Early on there were some obvious flaws in my resume, cover letters, and interviewing. Some of that can be fixed and some of that is just me being anxious and autistic which isn't going to completely go away though to some extent that can be controlled. In general there is a problem that I mostly interview with people who have around 5-15 years of experience and to…

In any good place to work, specific tool experience shouldn't matter unless the company is in a very specialized niche. This is especially true considering you come in with 30 years experience. To be honest, it sounds to me like the headwinds you're really encountering are ageism and your interviewers are trying to throw you off that scent for liability reasons.

Over and above outright ageism, 30 years of experience also comes with commensurate expectations and, even if not necessarily a specific tool, organizations probably won't hire someone that senior if their experience is only tangentially related to that needed for a role. Someone who is junior you might go "They're bright, they'll pick it up." Hiring a senior person is often about hiring in skills you don't have internally and need.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

#75
honestly its such a grind with leetcode and system design these days. Just dedicate a certain amount of time everyday towards interview prepping.

btw if you need help grinding leetcode, ive created spacedleets.com which helps practice leetcode with spaced reptition. (its free)

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this really a problem that can be fixed by an app? It seems more like a human behavior issue to me. There is a filter, and people are trying to get through it. It's adversarial, and automating the process makes it easier to game, which is why those solutions have not been adopted.

I think it could, in theory. I've had the idea of approaching it more like a sorting problem. Scrape social media of the candidates and the company, use NLP to provide a 'cultural fit' metric that circumvents the interview process...

Sounds like an even worse approach than Triplebyte's.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

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post #25

I don’t know OP, I’m a tech lead who has done his fair share of interviews and based on your few comments on HN there seem to be some red flags with how you’re viewing the interview process. Saying “one person derails things because I’d outshine them” seems to externalize the blame. I don’t know that I’ve ever worked with any engineer who thinks they’d be worse off by hiring an extremely intelligent engineer. I’d lov…

If someone is actually way smarter than me, my concerns would be: 1. Would they get bored or frustrated here? 2. Are their people skills good enough for the role? 3. How long do they plan to be here? 4. What do they expect from us? But I’m a generalist and find being the dumbest person in the room to be very educational. :)

None of those have anything to do with being smart. Less smart people also get bored or have poor people skills or job hop or have unusual expectations.

Very strange post with a lot of poor assumptions.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

#78

There's a lot of woo-woo going on in this thread. You need to find the actual problem. You're making it to the interview, so all these companies feel you're at least minimally qualified for the job. Are you just getting unlucky that all these companies are in a hiring freeze and aren't willing to commit right now? Have you changed up your interviewing, tried anything new? Are you having further post-interview discuss…

>There may be something going on that you're not aware of and interviewers don't want to tell you.

This is absolutely key, and when OP says something like:

"I often get praises during interviews, but never an offer."

I kind of feel bad because honestly, many people will give praise to a person just to kind of end the conversation, and I will admit to being guilty of it myself. It avoids the situation where you then have to justify why you didn't like something as if the burden is on me to explain myself, instead of the burden being on them to prove themselves.

Kind of sucks but it is a reality one should be aware of.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

#79

If you have done 40 interviews, you are clearly qualified for the roles. I think you need to be more selective about what roles you apply to, and spent more time preparing for the interviews. Answer basic questions like why are you applying to that company? What do you gain from that role? People can smell desperation. I only started job searching seriously in July and I even took 2 weeks off in August. I was also un…

>Answer basic questions like why are you applying to that company? What do you gain from that role? People can smell desperation. Question for you: When you get this sort of question, do you answer honestly, or "honestly"? My current company has been in a pretty steep decline in terms of quality. I feel that they undervalue the work that I do, do not pay me appropriately for the work that I do, are skirting around fu…

I think your strategy of being "honest" is not bad at all if you're looking to not trip any wire and disqualify from an interview. But if you're looking to land a job that truly aligns with your values and are not desperate to switch jobs, have enough time to look, perhaps being honest would take you further.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome job search exhaustion?

#80
Been in a similar situation. I was a lead with almost 20 years experience, and I got laid off right before the pandemic.

It takes a bit of patience. One thing that I learned is that ageism really isn't a thing, but that most openings really are for people with a little less experience than us. This is because a lot of companies are willing to take a chance on someone who costs less; but set the bar exceptionally high for someone who costs more.

To keep sane, I worked on learning projects and only hunted for jobs about 50% of my day-to-day time. My general pattern was to spend a few mornings or afternoons hunting through the "who's hiring" Hacker News thread, and then spend the remainder of the month seeing where it went. By the end of the month I was ready to hit the next "who's hiring" thread.

It took me almost a year. Thankfully pandemic unemployment kept me from digging into savings.

Some things to keep in mind:

I recently worked with someone brilliant who told me he had lots and lots of interviews before finding the job. He occasionally rubbed me the wrong way. I suspect he may have habitually rubbed people the wrong way in interviews, too.

Another time I rejected a candidate who was hired against my recommendation, who then went to be a lead. At times he was very difficult to work with, although he generally did the job well. My questions weren't hard, in this case, he interviewed for a job in C# and didn't know how to use a dictionary in a whiteboarding coding session... The interview just got... awkward.

Finally, don't forget that getting this kind of job is always a numbers game. Keep trying. Really. Just keep trying.

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