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Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by bluefirebrand »

otoburb wrote: post #59
missedthecue wrote: post #52

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I like commuting, I like smalltalk, I like dropping by people's desk to ask a quick question, and I don't mind it when people do the same to me. I like getting to know people, I like going out for lunch with coworkers, I like building relationships with people. I like knowing the identity of those I work with beyond a Slack pfp. I can understand the not getting sick part, but I guess I never really suffered from cold…

>> The worst part is that anyone who wants WFH can have it, but I cannot have what I need. Some employers are mandating back to office, so this option is being taken away. Those that prefer to WFH are not able to have what they need/want. I'm always curious why those who like to work in the office are opposed to letting employees choose what they wish to do. >> My job is still 100% slack and zoom with everyone else i…

> I'm always curious why those who like to work in the office are opposed to letting employees choose what they wish to do.

I think it's because they know that a lot of their coworkers will choose not to come into the office anymore, so the office will feel empty and that will make them feel lonely and sad.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by missedthecue »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #70
missedthecue wrote: post #52

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I like commuting, I like smalltalk, I like dropping by people's desk to ask a quick question, and I don't mind it when people do the same to me. I like getting to know people, I like going out for lunch with coworkers, I like building relationships with people. I like knowing the identity of those I work with beyond a Slack pfp. I can understand the not getting sick part, but I guess I never really suffered from cold…

> The worst part is that anyone who wants WFH can have it, but I cannot have what I need. This really makes it sound like you think other people should be forced back to offices so that you can get what you "need" Office work shouldn't be your substitute for a social life.

What I mean to say is that I cannot take unilateral steps to remediate the issue at hand (i.e. quitting and finding a new employer)

Someone who prefers WFH can do this.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by otoburb »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #71
otoburb wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The worst part is that anyone who wants WFH can have it, but I cannot have what I need. Some employers are mandating back to office, so this option is being taken away. Those that prefer to WFH are not able to have what they need/want. I'm always curious why those who like to work in the office are opposed to letting employees choose what they wish to do. >> My job is still 100% slack and zoom with everyone else i…

> I'm always curious why those who like to work in the office are opposed to letting employees choose what they wish to do. I think it's because they know that a lot of their coworkers will choose not to come into the office anymore, so the office will feel empty and that will make them feel lonely and sad.

>>I think it's because they know that a lot of their coworkers will choose not to come into the office anymore [...]

That was probably true during the pandemic, but anecdotal conversations I've had with non-tech colleagues and friends surprised me by echoing what many in this thread are saying: that they'd like the option to go into the office on certain days, but not necessarily 100% either way.

It feels like the true minorities are those that that are 100% in either direction, except that there seems to be a higher percentage of leadership teams in the 100% minority.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by eru »

baron816 wrote: post #62
eru wrote: post #40

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> China is falling into recession. Europe is falling into recession. A Federal Reserve governor(Kashkari) is now expressing doubt that inflation can be reined in without triggering a recession. Stonks have recovered from the initial drop, but that is a familiar pattern in many previous stock bubbles before the market really plummets. You (nor anyone else) can forecast neither recessions nor 'stock bubbles'. Otherwise…

That theory doesn’t apply as strongly to recessions as it does financial markets. Recessions just aren’t well defined, and you’re not going to know for sure if you’re in one/were in one until months or even years after it started because you need to collect a whole lot of data on the economy. But you do start getting early signs. It doesn’t have to come all at once in a huge market crash. That is actually pretty rare…

> That theory doesn’t apply as strongly to recessions as it does financial markets.

You seem to suggest that financial markets are decoupled from the economy?

To be precise: my thesis is that you can not forecast recessions better than the market consensus. And not just in stocks:

For example, If you can forecast that industrial activity will be slowing, you can make a lot of money in commodities futures markets.

If you can forecast an increase in defaults, you can make a lot of money trading credit-default-swaps.

Slightly less finance-y: if it was easy to forecast recessions, wouldn't you expect to see that reflected in business inventories?

In general, if forecasting a recession was easy enough that you and me can do it, you'd expect businesses in general to anticipate the coming recession, and that anticipation would look exactly like a recession. Thus making the forecast a now-cast.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by egeozcan »

missedthecue wrote: post #68
egeozcan wrote: post #67

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> There are no companies or startups hiring my occupation for in-office-only. There are many companies which have offices you and people with similar preferences as yours can go to. Do you mean you want your colleagues also having to come to the office even if they don't want to?

What I miss isn't the office building. It's the people. I don't really care to sit in an empty office. I don't want to "force" you to do anything. I would like to find a workplace where I can thrive.

If I could only thrive in a workplace where all people wore sunglasses, and I kept telling people "why do you hate wearing sunglasses, it's so much better, sun appearing behind the screen totally not a problem anymore! also, I really need you to wear sunglasses for me to thrive", what would others think?

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by dnissley »

missedthecue wrote: post #52
bluefirebrand wrote: post #39

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Everything about working in an office sucks. Commuting sucks, paying for parking sucks, shared kitchens suck, open floor plans suck, office politics suck, being at the whim of people "just dropping by your desk to ask a quick question" sucks. Getting sick all the time when people don't stay home and they spread it around the office sucks. No seriously, I haven't had a cold or flu since the pandemic started, I love no…

I like commuting, I like smalltalk, I like dropping by people's desk to ask a quick question, and I don't mind it when people do the same to me. I like getting to know people, I like going out for lunch with coworkers, I like building relationships with people. I like knowing the identity of those I work with beyond a Slack pfp. I can understand the not getting sick part, but I guess I never really suffered from cold…

Hello, introvert here. I also love all of those office things you listed (provided I have enough space to work by myself in between). I specifically quit my wfh-only job and moved cross country to go back to the office. I joined Meta here in Seattle where most of my org's employees still are wfh full time, and so I still have lots of video calls, but I've found a nice sized crew of people like us who come in most days and have been enjoying it thoroughly. It's kind of oddly cozy actually, having only 10-20 people out of 80-90 seats on any given day. Kind of like coming in the day before some major holiday when lots of ppl take off an extra day, except it's everyday. I can't recommend enough getting out of the wfh situation if it's making you depressed.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by bluefirebrand »

missedthecue wrote: post #72
bluefirebrand wrote: post #70

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> The worst part is that anyone who wants WFH can have it, but I cannot have what I need. This really makes it sound like you think other people should be forced back to offices so that you can get what you "need" Office work shouldn't be your substitute for a social life.

What I mean to say is that I cannot take unilateral steps to remediate the issue at hand (i.e. quitting and finding a new employer) Someone who prefers WFH can do this.

Frankly, this is bull.

The last two years of the pandemic is a huge outlier where remote work has been the norm. Most workplaces before the pandemic were full time in-office and it seems there's a huge push starting to get everyone back in offices across a lot of industries now.

Many companies might wind up settling on a hybrid approach, but I can almost guarantee you that will lean more towards office than remote.

I'm sorry that the forced remote has been hard for you, but get over it. Society is still built by extroverts for extroverts. You will be able to get those jobs a lot more easily going forward than I will be able to find fully remote jobs, I guarantee it.

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