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Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

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Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#72
I have moved a lot during my career (Oz/China/Thailand/Europe/US, 8+ cities, now 35) and frequently that meant arriving in a new country or city with zero friends, family or support network and making do, so consider myself well schooled in this problem.

The de-facto approach is drinking. Drinking is a great way to meet people but it is often skewed toward young to middle aged people without family so can get old/tired/irritating/self-destructive. The good thing is it's easily available all the time and there's a ton of venues, so if you don't like one just browse for another.

As others have said there is no substitute for social groups... there are many options here. One good one is dancing, there are quite a few cool social dance groups in many cities now, swing/salsa/tango/etc, and in general talent is firmly not required! The younger me would have said it's not my thing, but now that I'm in my mid 30s (and married with kid) I think it's an awesome scene and regret never getting in to it! Seriously, check this stuff out.

There are also a few good team water sports with big social elements .. things like sailing, rowing, outrigging, dragon boating. Sailing is good because you can do the social side but also get some self time, while being part of a wider community. If you want more team stuff, you can sail larger vessels where it's total commitment. The other options (paddling style) are pretty full on social and may be a bit much, depending on your personality.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#73
Send me an email and I'll invite you to our "Solo Founders" slack channel, it's not super active, but if you're feeling lonely or just wanna chat, it's nice to have a few regulars to reach out to.

We all help each other, which can be handy to bounce tech problems off too

Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#74
Two more ideas from me:

1) Toastmasters. This is like alcoholics anonymous for people that are addicted to shyness. And very likely there will be some people there that are even more quiet and introverted than you are.

2) Social dancing. I'm guessing you are male, in which case you will be in high demand. Even if you are overweight & ugly as sin, if you can keep a beat then the girls are gonna want some. If you are as intelligent as you sound then this is also a big plus: the smart people end up being the best dancers. And it's not about talking or being interesting, it's about the mechanics of space and time (physics and music). I would recommend tango: this is where all the real nerds end up.

Getting over the fear is not going to happen on its own. Instead I would suggest finding something where you are more excited than afraid.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#75
Loneliness is more widespread than you could imagine, and it effects every person differently.

The easiest way to develop friendships or make connections with people is to show up regularly to a scheduled event. Even if you are the shyest, most social awkward person in the world, if you keep showing up to a regular event you will help combat loneliness.

My first suggestion is physical activities. If you're not already doing something active start there. Doing something physical will wear you out and help keep your mind from focusing on being alone. It is also a great way to meet new people and have something to talk about. Join a gym, a running club, start going to a rock-climbing gym, join a hiking Meetup group, find someone at work or a neighbor that likes to bike and go for rides, join a sports club or team, play airsoft/paintball, go geocaching, etc. There is something physical for everyone of all body types and abilities. Lets say you like lifting weights. Start going to the gym 3 times a week. Maybe after a few weeks you see a free yoga class and are interested, take it. Say hi to someone. Later on that person may need a spotter, or have a question. Boom, you've made a (sort of) friend.

Once you have a physical activity built into your routine, find one or two non-work (and non-video game!) hobbies that you enjoy. Chess, tabletop games, fishing, walking around the city, going to museums, fixing cars/machines, restoring furniture, painting, drawing, old electronic restoration, going to bookstores, -- literally anything you could see yourself spending 1 or 2 hours of free time on per day or every few days. Start doing this regularly. Don't worry if it's alone. Being occupied with something you like will make your mind too busy too care. PLUS once you need to drum up small talk with a friend/co-worker/whoever you will have something to talk about.

Don't be afraid of "looking lonely". If you enjoy going to bars/coffee shops/dinner/whatever once in a while, go to one! If you can invite someone great, if not, go anyway. You'd be surprised how many people do things alone. If you have the gift of gab, chat them up. Maybe you won't have a new friend, but it will be some interaction. Sometimes all you need is to physically be present around people to help cure the loneliness.

Also, and this one was the biggest change that affected me, say yes to things! If you are lucky enough to get invited to do stuff (by family, coworkers, anyone), say yes. Even if you can only show up or do the activity for 30 mins, go. Saying yes has a snowball effect, the more you say yes the more you will be invited. If you absolutely need to say no, have no interest, etc, offer a counter-invite to a separate activity and then follow up. Also, invite people to do things. Even if it sounds boring/lame/mundane. Have errands after work? Invite someone. People are more willing to do boring stuff then you would think.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#77

You could take up smoking. Every day I drive to work it's like the smokers are having a social get together. If you're worried about getting addicted you could start vaping 0% nicotine. The vapers are in the smoking circle too.

I haven't had a smoke in 2 years, not planning on going back to it. I grasp your point though

Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#78

Two more ideas from me: 1) Toastmasters. This is like alcoholics anonymous for people that are addicted to shyness. And very likely there will be some people there that are even more quiet and introverted than you are. 2) Social dancing. I'm guessing you are male, in which case you will be in high demand. Even if you are overweight & ugly as sin, if you can keep a beat then the girls are gonna want some. If you are a…

It seems like dancing is a super popular suggestion.

I keep saying to myself that I'd be no good and it'd be embarassing, not to mention I'm not (never have been) a "dancer" but I'm thinking this swarm intellect might have a point... And perhaps I should seriously consider signing up for a beginner dance class.

Any reason why Tango is where the nerds end up?

Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#79

I am extremely introverted, but one of the social activities I've found that actually DOESN'T drain me is going to game nights at my local game stores. Most stores have something going on every night, ranging from standard issue board games to RPGs to miniatures tabletop games. It's amazingly easy to make friends when you're all engrossed in whatever setting you're gaming in!

Do these types of events have spectator focused areas? Eg, I'm a bit of a gamer (not much these days), but frankly tabletop/etc doesn't really interest me. Despite that, the idea of going and watching the crowd, almost like a coffee shop, sounds really enjoyable.

Like a coffee shop with the added bonus of everyone having similar interests. Who knows, the wife and I may make some friends too, or take part.

However, I'm asking because I don't want to go there and feel obligated to partake in some event/thing. Lowkey with benefits is what interests me. Thoughts?

Re: Ask HN: Coping with Loneliness

#80

Go to Bangkok. Find a Starbucks. Order your drink of choice. Within 30 minutes you will be chatted up by a girl. Enjoy! p.s. This happened to me back in 2003. We were together for three years. Got addicted to the lifestyle in Thailand - eating out with friends every night, going out to the islands, beaches, diving, golf, malls etc. I worked remotely. My g/f had a lot of friends too. It was a lot of fun. Beats eating…

This is the most bizarre comment that might actually make me go visit a place. Sounds like a different world!
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