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Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#691
This is where I'm at.

I loved the idea of allowing more remote work. It seems people on both sides of this debate don't want to admit there's a grey area. There's pros and cons to both. Not to mention, so much disingenuous discussion.

I live (moving ASAP) in Northern Virginia where a drive into DC could be between 30-1hr. That's 2 hrs a day on the road. 2 * 252 = ~500 hrs of just driving. Insanity to me (hence why I'm moving).

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast, vast majority of companies in the world would not pay massively over market rates to their staff. To minimise costs and maximise profits (without exploiting anyone of course) is the raison d'etre for a business, and is in no way unethrical.

I don't disagree with you but I think we may have differing definitions of "exploitation." To generate more value for a company than you receive in wage is to be exploited, in my book, and is subsequently unethical. The way out of this situation is unclear but to pretend that this is not the case helps neither man nor beast.

I am using the investors’ assets to amplify the value of my work, and they are bearing all the risk for me. It would be unethical not to compensate them.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#694
I enjoy the flexibility to work from home some of the time, but I also find real value in working in the office.

A lot of us work as part of a team. It's nice for a teammate to be able to work anywhere they want, anytime they want, but when I am dependent on work from them to complete mine and they are unavailable that's a problem. For WFH to truly be successful there need to be team agreements about how to handle this. Me being able to just walk up and destroy their flow is no worse than me not being able to proceed if they aren't available.

Some of us (myself included) would like to have some amount of separation between work life and home life. The first few months of COVID confinement felt freeing, but over time I got annoyed that the room I went to to have fun on my computer was my "work" location, and every night when I went to go to bed I walked by "work" and on the weekend, I walked by "work" all the time or used my computer at "work". I, for one, would like this not to be every single day I'm at "work"

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#695
I am one of those that would love to come more to the office - but having kids & living in one of the best quality of life city in a affordable big appartement is not something I will give up. So the only thing I could land is beeing remote with some days a month to meet fave2face. It is clearly not my first choice but an economic balance: Relocate to higher cost area and lower quality of life OR keep flexibility/friends and nice apartment where I live and find a suitable job but remote.

PS: European as well

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#698

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Not to hop on the train of criticism, but there are plenty of other ways to invest yourself in your career other than being a social butterfly around the coffee pot. Admittedly I'm a bit socially awkward and fully aware of my flaws, but that's part of the reason I enjoy terminal work in the first place. Commits and Slack are about as social as I was in the office, anyway and when I was social, people wished I would k…

Maybe I have some sort of Office-PTSD or something, but I make it very clear to my coworkers that we can be friendly, but we aren't friends. You don't need my cellphone number, we don't need to go grab drinks after work, etc.. I've just noticed that if you turn your back for a second, then out come the wolves. Less coffee pot talk the better as far as I am concerned. I have my friends and life outside of work, and I…

> but I make it very clear to my coworkers that we can be friendly, but we aren't friends

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#699

I’m of two minds. I work remotely but miss the benefits of the office. On one hand, I am getting paid over 2x what local companies would pay me, the convenience and flexibility are wonderful WFH, I get to spend more time with my family, etc. On the other hand, I miss all the things you listed. Plus I’m an advocate of eXtreme Programming, which means pair programming all the time. Pair programming with people who have…

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#700
What you did here?

Listing 3-5 things in positive tone about going to the office.

Listing 3-5 things in negative tone about working remote.

It is just a point of view. Let's see how I fare:

I love not to see people wanting to bash others in the face, not having heated discussions but calm and easy to control meetings that are up to point because you cannot just speak louder over people on a remote call. Love to provide actual value instead of hanging around coffee machine and bike shedding.

I am fully aware that there are people who rather go drink beers or have coffee with their coworkers than spend time with their family or neglect house pets they got because they felt lonely even if they live in a small flat in Berlin.

Hiring people from outside EU is not that easy/cheap - you either go via intermediary that will rip you off or you will spend time/resources on finding good people. Screening/hiring people from your own country is much easier, handling any issues that may arise after you hire them is also much easier.

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