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Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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You make a good point, but I have to admit, as someone in my 50’s, I also chuckled that some thought they were old at 35. I guess time changes all of our perspectives a day at a time.

I think it's because 30s is where a lot of people first feel age with concessions. It's right when you first feel that you heal slower, have to watch your joints more, etc. The stark contrast from your 20s when you feel progressively more bullet proof each year. Or - that's been my experience atleast.

Yup. I bloomed a little late and had my social explosion throughout my 30s. But every year the next day after a late night out drinking hurt more and more. Aches start piling up, weight is harder to keep off, it feels easier to hurt myself, and slower to heal.

Keeping your health together and your body moving is one of the most important things.

But the rest of it is just in our heads. We can learn new things, meet new people, start new romantic relationships. But we have to want to do that, and put ourselves in positions where there are opportunities for those things to happen, and then take advantage of those opportunities.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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>problem is that by 35 you can't get by on novelty anymore because you've seen some version of everything there is to see I'm 68 and this is self-limiting B.S. In the last few years I have seen many things I never saw before, and never imagined. Ironically, when I was about 30, I was in a similar position and complained to my dad that there was nothing new under the sun, everything is just a rehash of what has come b…

You don’t feel the amount of new things you see slows down considerably as you grow older? It’s not that you can’t find novel things any more if you go looking for them, but most everyday things hold no more (or less) excitement. I notice this especially much with my 3 year old son, for whom everything is fascinating. He’ll find out that sticking a bowl upside down in the water and turning it face up will make a lot…

> You don’t feel the amount of new things you see slows down considerably as you grow older?

I don't feel that at all.

I've always felt there was a lot to know. I don't think I ever felt the "ego on the cusp of knowing everything" when I was younger, because I knew I hadn't studied most fields and that there was much more I didn't know about. But I did feel like I was getting that way within a few narrow technical fields.

But as I get older the awareness that there's so much still to see, learn and do in just about every area, including those where I'd become something of an expert, just grows and grows, and it is depressing.

As time passes I feel more and more the limited bandwidth of my capabilities, and that nothing I can do begins to scratch the surface of what there is. Some people seem to find a joy in learning. I enjoy it, indeed I can't help it, but I feel so small and my future life feels so short, it gets me down.

Most things I take an interest in, it feels like it will take 300 years to get to grips with them. If anything, I feel an almighty rush to see what tiny part of what there is I can see, be around, and even better, understand and work with, while it's still possible.

So much to see, so little time.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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We are insignificant and meaningless. Just look at that data. We live on a planet that's billions of years old in a solar system that's probably even older. Currently each one of us is but one of almost 8 billion others currently alive right now. One day you will die with millions of others. Not long after that anyone that has a memory of you will die. You will be completely erased. You can see that as depressing if…

I started reading about the universe and everything in it sometime last year. I was in a shit place due to some stuff in our family, but I found it liberating as well, to think about how small we are in the scale of things or against the time scale of things. Besides it being a cool new hobby, it really sobered me up on what's important to me.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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I’m 32 and in a similar situation. I lost my mother and both brothers within last 6 months of last year and ended up questioning everything.

Even though I was in this moment of time where I was questioning everything I couldn’t actually move forward with any of the changes I wanted. The big mental changer for me was the gym. Not necessarily for health but because everyday I’m pushing myself to failure and also seeing improvement.

Even though I have hobbies like photography and being a drummer to be honest I would be frustrated at that type of failure and avoid it. Maybe the lack of feeling creative is too personal to face right now. Since the gym I feel like that’s improving and I am slowly reaching out to a social circle again and seeing new opportunity.

It has improved my mental clarity and personality too. I am lucky to have my girlfriend of nearly two years and I was preparing to propose before all this happened. I would question that too but I started to realise I didn’t want to be this person running from my problems in different countries again. I didn’t wait for the perfect time but did the best I could and that went well.

I suppose for me in the area of finding a partner was finding faith in myself again. At around 30 I was about the same and hadn’t been with anyone I could see marrying. I couldn’t seem to attract the type I saw myself settling with. I think that changed with the gym too and applying focus to my new interests at the time like photography.

After I stopped trying with my current fiancé, maybe a year and a half of our first meetup, she started to see who I am and what I could be because I was just applying myself to improve my own life. I think we all like to see that in each other no matter gender or preference. It can just be within your friendship circles after you grow out of drinking buddies.

I think you know it’s not your too old to go out a be that guy again but you don’t want too. Trust me I have old friends your age who are still acting like their 20 and reliving all the same mistakes. Right now you just need a physical parallel to what your mind needs to do. Fail early, learn and adapt, improve and grow

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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post #473

Man, this is the WORST place to ask for advice. A quick scan of the suggestions: * Have you tried medicating these feelings away? * Have you tried drugs? * Get on a plane! Travel and "find yourself!" * You have money, why aren't you happy? * How about you do everything again that brought you to this place... But in a different career field? About the only real suggestion here is to exercise, find a hobby, or start a…

Can you say a bit more about what happened when you confronted these feelings?

Absolutely!

Primarily I was disillusioned with my college education, but that feeling spread to encompass many areas of my life. Everything seemed arbitrary and pointless -- and reading the first few chapters it really was comforting to hear someone else from a completely different time saying the same things. It was like -- I'm not alone here. Many people seemed to feel this way with Bojack Horseman as well... Though I find Ecclesiastes much more satisfying at the end.

In fact, knowingly or not, many people are echoing the same sentiments here: everything is the same, nothing is new, history repeats itself -- things are bent, and there's no straightening it.

But where the rubber meets the road is this: all the suggestions people told me didn't seem to be of any help. "Just do a hobby, exercise, or travel!" is a hollow suggestion when you think everything is meaningless, "a chasing after the wind."

The author talks about the futility of work, wisdom, pleasure, relationships, even gardening! But then he even talks about miscarriage of justice, and government corruption. "Why do bad things happen to good people?" It's like he's tugging on this weed on human existence, and the more he pulls, the deeper the roots of the problem go.

I'll leave with just two verses that stick out to me:

Better to spend your time at funerals than at parties. After all, everyone dies— so the living should take this to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter, for sadness has a refining influence on us. A wise person thinks a lot about death, while a fool thinks only about having a good time. Ecclesiastes 7:2‭-‬4 NLT

Especially as a young man, that impacted me. Much of life seems to be an effort to avoid suffering -- to the extent that suicide is seen as a viable option. But I look at Joni Eareckson Tada, and the impact her life has had on so many people, in spite of her terrible suffering.

But the jewel on top is the final chapter. It's a direct rebuttal to nihilism and absurdism. There is a meaning and purpose in life to be found in your creator. This feeling of meaninglessness was hole that only Jesus could fill. Once he was there, I found the meaningless imbued with meaning and purpose.

This is my Twitter handle as well, feel free to reach out if you'd like to chat!

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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>Also 35 isn't 65. This is the prime age for most business people, artists, writers, etc. This is typically a professional and creative peak that lasts, at least, another decade or so. A person this age often has the drive and vitality of youth but the wisdom of someone older. Its no wonder so many great works are created by people around this age. The age of 35 does represents an important milestone for many artists…

Those are all pre-modern people before the invention of vaccines and antibiotics and who had terrible health and suffered by now preventable childhood diseases. Their 35 is not our 35. Shakespeare, I believe, wrote about joint pain, aging, and losing his memory and mind at 35, which is not typical of a modern 35 year old. Substance abuse and artistry go hand in hand and a lot of these artists were addicts and drunks…

There should be a 20-year Academy Awards, for movies people still care about 20 years later. Stanley Kubrick's films would do very well in such a competition.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

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post #202

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I'm older than you. The code I write and the production systems I've brought online tend to stick around. It's because I pour my heart and soul into making them as beautiful and poetic as possible. Because I'm not just thinking about my paycheck. I'm thinking about the next guy who's going to be maintaining it, and how good his life is going to be, after I've moved on to a different project, and then the next guy. I…

I've been building systems for years in numerous places. Have you never experienced a political situation where a decision is made in these systems you describe as beautiful and poetic, that is not your own and yet due to organisational structures you must obey? I am curious given your attachment how you handle these. They're standard political issues in organizations larger than a few people.

My attachment? That aside, I think what you're asking is really simple. Relationships and empires are built on compromise. When you work a job you should agree with the stated objectives of your bosses. If you've got those bases covered, and it's a healthy environment too, then nothing should surprise you.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with getting old and feeling lost?

#660
One measure of happiness is being satisfied with what you’ve got.

It’s clear that you are becoming unhappy. At 80, I’m pretty happy and have been getting more so.

Like most people here, I’d recommend taking care of yourself physically. And go for long walks in the woods and parks. Appreciate what an amazing place this universe is!

I could make a number of suggestions beyond that, but I think the best one would be to take up a study of Zen, which is largely about escaping dissatisfaction.

Joko Beck’s books are a good entry.

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