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Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

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Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#61

It sounds like you expect yourself to have everything figured out. Life is simple but not easy. Believe me, most everyone I know does not have life figured out in the mid-twenties and early-thirties. Life is not a puzzle, it's life. You think, you have it figured out and then another challenge/curveball comes along (layoff/marriage/divorce/best friend dying/whatever). As someone wiser than me once said, high school i…

As someone wiser than me once said, high school is probably the most structured experience you'll have unless you end up in prison.

Very true. It is precisely the young people who thrive most as independent learners who feel most stifled by high school.

http://learninfreedom.org/

Some of the feeling of structure comes with adolescence. But happy is the adolescent who restructures his learning environment to increase his personal responsibility.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#62
Suggestion: have a chat with those few good teachers you had (even if you are not at their school/s anymore).

They may know more about high-school education than us; they certainly know more about you and what would suit you - they may be able to assist in a solution, in a practical sense.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#63
I was a lot like you. My advice would be to do what I wish I had done:

1. Use your intelligence and self-teaching skills to make sure you get the best grades possible; this will help you get financial aid for college. Otherwise, you'll be limited to cheap schools, saddled with debt, or unable to go at all.

2. When you have choices about which classes to take, take ones that stretch your creativity in areas you wouldn't normally explore: for a geek, that's probably art, music, literature, philosophy, wood shop, metal shop, etc. These classes will usually have you creating things which is fun, and if you're creating written papers, that's very good practice for your future.

3. Since you're smart, #1 shouldn't take up much of your time. While in classes you can't avoid, you can 'take notes' writing about something else you're working on. Pay just enough attention to the class to make sure you're following what's going on. Outside of class, SOCIALIZE. Learn to make girls smile at you (or boys, if that's your thing.) Learn how to make small talk, and how to get someone else to talk about themselves. Having good conversational skills, especially if you're introverted, will be hugely important for you in your future.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#64
I was exactly the same way. I studied for AP tests on my own time, started a company, learned how to program, etc. School was boring. It was easy. I resented the fact that my peers took it like a joke an weren't serious about learning -- some of the teachers did, too.

All that was cool, but here's the thing I wish I did the most in high school: kissed a girl.

I think it's important to get good grades in HS because it will give you so many options when you graduate. Just deal with it. Some times you have to do stuff you don't like.

The rest of the time spend doing the things you love. And as a fellow introvert, I strongly encourage you to SOCIALIZE. I had a friend who forced himself to become less awkward by joining the HS football team even though he hated football. Forced socialization.

It worked. He was way less awkward than me in HS. Now he's in Boston doing this: http://diybio.org

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#65
There are many options for you.

You can go part time to college and see that learning, when forced is monotonous everywhere.

You can start college full time now, face the same issues, yet be out sooner

You can spin high school into a pleasurable social experiment. I noticed there was nothing said about you socially. Usually, kids dont dislike school because of education, its because of social issues.\

Look at it this way. You have 2 more years to become whoever you want to be, perfect that image, then display it to the adult world. You can become a ladies man (all it takes is working out), you can become the quirky nerd everyone likes, you can be the scary goth that has a clan of minions. But now is the time to play around with who you are and who you want to be.

If you see it as an experiment, it will be fun....

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#66

Take every AP exam available, that will knock off all the easy classes in college that will equally waste your time and you can get out of some high school classes now and do it as independent study. I took 5 or 6 in my junior and aced them all - including two for subjects I had never even had class in. Just pick up some princeton review books and go at it. By the time I got to college I had 40 credits already done.

This helped me too, graduating early because of it. Seriously important one.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#67

I'm a high school student myself (senior). I skipped massively (like 50% of the time I wasn't in class) in 10th grade, and after 10th just went to do Running Start. It's a form of dual enrollment and I'm going to community college now; I haven't set foot in HS (except to get authorization forms) in two years. College is different from high school. Try something similar. High school is a massive, pointless waste of ti…

Having worked in a number of research labs, I would add to this that you should also try contacting professors at the nearest college. Very rarely is there something structured put in place for high school students to work at universities, but that said, many professors will work around/through/over the bureaucracy so that you can work with them. Often times all that is needed is a bit of initiative and some personal…

The Intel Science Talent Search is pretty much exactly like this. You work on graduate-level research with a university professor as your mentor.

Even if you don't care about the competition, it's an easy pretense for getting in touch and working with a professor. Plus, you might be able to convince your school to give you time during the day to work on your research (when I was in HS, we got a period every other day).

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#68
So the goal is to reduce your boredom in class, which is probably easiest to do by giving you something else to do while you're there and/or reduce the amount of time you're there because public schools are a disaster for smart kids (ref http://sex-death-and.com/blog/?p=17). Okay.

First of all, unless something's changed, you should be able to have a driver's license by grade 11 (usually age 16). You can use this to take Community College courses. If you are feeling really clever, you can work with your school to get credit for these such that you don't have to take the HS versions -- but they also count as college credit, which we call "huge tuition savings" on the other side of the bill.

Second of all, you need to be participating in socializing activities. I'm a big fan of speech & debate (because there's not a job opening in the world that doesn't have "strong communication skills" as a prerequisite :-p -- the movie Rocket Science is a not-unreasonable depiction of the activity), but I've seen/heard that robotics and electronics clubs are becoming popular thanks to more-accessible components and information. If those don't strike your fancy or aren't available, then make your own. Do you realize how cheap a digital camcorder and video editing software is these days? Round up some people that don't suck and make a movie. I've had a whole bunch of friends that have done it, some in HS and others in College (see: "The Gamers" which was surprisingly profitable and "The Gamers: Dorkness Rising").

Third, if you're lucky then you're in a college town and if you're as smart as you claim then you may be able to be a lab aide for professors at that college. You don't have to want to go to school there, but getting in on that kind of experience is very valuable and also looks great on applications to the colleges that you do want to go to. (My youngest sister-in-law did this.)

Fourth, I would speculate that because you're posting here and you're reading Paul and all this other stuff that you're not very well diversified in how you're trying to challenge yourself. Let me remind you that an awful lot of technical jobs didn't exist when those of us filling them were kids, so really drilling into specialized knowledge when you're a kid may have a detrimental impact on your ability to adjust to certain change later in life. I would suggest that you spend more time doing art, music, writing, etc. (Consider: Paul Graham would almost certainly not be so capable of a writer if he hadn't gone wacky and gotten his degree in Philosophy. Also, if you doubt the value of art, go read Mac Hall -- there's a party sequence where Ian demonstrates the value of competence with a sketchpad at a party that always makes me grin. http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2001-03-21) The crucial thing is that you can bring in another skill that you've cultured to make your particular synthesis of capabilities unique and innovative.

Finally, it will almost certainly get easier. Lacking any kind of public funding for talented and gifted programs, my senior year of HS was ~40% independent study of one form or another. Not that I would suggest being quite the slacker I was -- I used the "Theorem of Theorems" which stated that "if a state-certified math book taught it to us, it must be true enough" to shortcut through entirely too many math problems -- but with a good mobile internet device and enough initiative to set your own goals, you'll be able to make better use of your time in the near future.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#69
I can tell you that I had a very similar experience in high school. I am currently 24 years old and working in a career/job that I absolute love. But high school was a bit different. I wasn't a straight A student, but that's simply because most of the topics we discussed were completely uninteresting to me. And you are right, some teachers can really ruin a subject even if you like it. I was lucky enough to have a few good teachers each year and I was able to graduate without any problem, but I definitely can see where you are coming from.

My suggestion to you is first to forget about dropping out of high school. That is not even a possibility. Now that we have that established, I will move on.

This might not help your grades, but one thing I used to do is actually work on personal projects while I was at school. I would write on paper, that I was supposed to be taking notes with, ideas and brainstorms for my projects. I would sometimes get so bored in school I would actually write out Perl code on paper just for the heck of it. Yea I was bored.

Sorry to digress, basically what I'm trying to say is make due with what you have. If you can't take more challenging classes like honors or AP level courses, perhaps ask around to find out who the more interesting and passionate teachers are and if you have an honest talk with the principal they may actually move you to the class you'd like. Work on your own stuff and your own knowledge while at school. Find others that are interested in those same things you are as well. When I was in high school I joined a webstaff which was basically a group of students that worked on the website. The media center/library people quickly spotted my overall technology talent, and I soon because very literally the school's IT guy. By my 12th grade year, I was practically spending half of my time 'working' at school helping people with computer related issues.

In closure, I have a feeling there are other issues at hand here. I don't quite know what I'm suggesting, maybe personal issues at home or maybe something totally different. Try to figure out what's at the root of your disliking. There is probably an underlying cause that you may be able to fix. Stop worrying so much about high school. Just pass and do good on your SAT. By the way, you're first two years of college, if you go, will be very similar. But when you actually take those nice tech classes where you really learn stuff it is highly enjoyable.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in 10th grade and I hate school. Any suggestions?

#70
Lesson 1: The world is not designed for people like you. You will find this to be a recurring theme throughout your life. Sometimes you can find a way to modify things be more to your liking. Other times you can't.

Lesson 2: Not all parts of your life will be ideal at all times.

Lesson 3: Any complex system that uses human beings as input will be non-ideal for many (if not most) of those people.

Lesson 4: Humanity's sacred institutions are (contrary to the way they're marketed) full of frustrating inefficiencies and design flaws.

You're frustrated because you'd like to be constantly challenged by just the right amount so that you can learn and reach your potential. Consider the video game: each new level is designed to push your skills just the exact amount. Life (and human institutions) are not so well designed.

There's a reason that the book Ender's Game is so engaging: it's wish fulfillment. We all wish that we could go to a school that provided exactly the opportunities that would make us the people we want to be. But such a school doesn't exist.

(Oh, and on a practical note: if a subject seems dull, then hit the library/web and look for other textbooks on the same subject. A book that presents things the way you'd like to see them can make all the difference.)

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