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Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

> This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. I've found Jordan Peterson to offer similar, minus the brainless misogyny. However when I talk about Peterson to a valued friend, there is a sense of distaste. But I can't pretend to not find what he talks about really interesting. I think he offers go…

The issue with Peterson is that anything outside of socioeconomics and psychology are drivel.

He has two tendencies which make him frustrating: first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. This can be very disingenuous, as you can infer many things from the same statistic.

The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier and proposes appeasement towards Russia.

His life advice is very good, and he talks about many interesting societal things, but when I see videos of him claiming himself to be a prophet: I am left with a sour taste.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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post #16

I have seen the most positive change from being more compassionate towards myself. It is so easy to put pressure, shame, and negativity onto yourself, to a degree that you never would for anyone else. It has been very helpful at times to ask "What would I say to a good friend who was in the same situation as me?". Almost always, it is a complete 180 from the aweful things I would tell myself. Knowing that I have the…

I'm old so people ask me for advice from time to time. Most often the first thing I hear myself saying is, "Try to give yourself a break". Usually what people have related to me when asking, is so needlessly hard on themselves. Anyway I think you're on to something positive.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

#64
1) You gotta play the hand you're dealt.

2) You need to be able to flip back & forth between the very big picture and the individual view.

3) The narrative is constructible, and being able to flip back & forth between individual and societal and cosmic views helps you construct the narrative with better perspective.

Cosmic level: we're all gonna die and the vast universe will barely notice. But we're as much part of the universe as Mars and the Sun and the Andromeda galaxy.

Individual level: my coworker got a promotion does that mean I will not get a promotion. Also I notice I'm being treated differently at work because of my demographic characteristics.

Play the hand you're dealt and create a better narrative for yourself: my coworker's promotion demonstrates that promotions can be gotten. Here are the ingredients that went into their promotion. These are things I can do (I can construct a parallel network of champions at work, I can position myself as a complementary force whose promotion will also benefit the company). Here is the reality of the situation. This situation will either play out to my advantage, or not. Here are ways I can change the situation entirely (get an outside offer, switch groups). What's worth doing?

You can ~never escape society's context: if you're not socially fluent, or not attractive, or an immigrant, or abnormally attractive, or whatever, that's all what it is. But people "like you" have succeeded, for almost any value of "success" you choose. So what do you want and how can you get there?

Life is like Mad Libs. It's a random collection of stuff that you need to assemble into a narrative. The narrative is yours to construct. Too many people think it is set for them.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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I was severely depressed, self-medicating with alcohol to the point I was bordering on alcoholism (I was in stage 3). The vast majority of the time, I was super lovable when I was drunk. Energetic, funny, I felt great. Sometimes I’d think about some past event (mostly that I’d ruined a great relationship with the most wonderful woman I’ve ever met), or I’d think about how I’d peaked at such a relatively low level in my career, and I’d get really sad and try to kill myself.

When sober, I’d flip between being incapable of leaving bed, and capable of leaving bed but really angry that I had to, so I was very irritable. I did my best to not snap over stuff, but it was a real struggle. In this way, COVID was a benefit to me. We worked 100% remote, and the servers I maintained did nothing critical, so I could sleep a lot during work days (my managers knew I was severely depressed and had been hospitalized over a suicide attempt, so they worked with me a lot, and I’m so lucky to have had such supportive management). I was so deep in this depression that I stopped taking medication because I didn’t think there was any hope. It wasn’t “if,” it was “when” I’d finally kill myself. My intent was to wait for my mom and aunt to die so they wouldn’t have to deal with the sadness. I figured my siblings would be sad, but no one else would care.

Because of all that, I’d get really pissed over the most minor things. I’d lose my shit about the smallest mistakes in traffic—-largely because I was so uncomfortable being out of my home that I was always rushing to get home—-I was constantly yelling in the car. I couldn’t handle any level of irritation.

One day, I accidentally swiped to apple news, and I saw a link to a clip of Anderson Cooper interviewing one of the founders of “loving-kindness” meditation I watched the clip, assuming that it’d be about a bunch of mystical bullshit. I learned that I had some very incorrect ideas about meditation, and so I found some loving-kindness meditations, and started immediate. The beginning of the ones I listened to said to think of someone you love with whom you have no complications in your relationship. That person doesn’t exist for me, and then she said, “it can even be a pet.” I saw my bird’s face so clearly, he’d died about six months before this, and I thought, “he was so happy every day. Everything was an adventure to him. He made the mundane entertaining. He wouldn’t want me to be so sad all the time.” And I started bawling, I had to stop the meditation because I couldn’t hear it anymore. I got it under control and finished the meditation, and for the rest of the day, I felt good.

I did the meditation the next day, and I felt good again, and I remember so vividly leaving the grocery store, and this guy in an Acura SUV in front of me was driving like absolute garbage, like he’d never seen any city before, let alone the one we were in: he had no clue where he was. And I felt like screaming, and I thought, “may I be kind, may I be peaceful, may I be healthy, may I live with ease,” the mantra they have you repeat in loving-kindness meditation. And that snapped me out of the cycle, and freed up my mind to think, “wait, this starts with well wishes to others. That’s a person in front of me. Maybe they’re not from here. Maybe they /are/ just a terrible driver, but maybe driving scares the shit out of them, there’s not much choice but to drive here. I shouldn’t be mad at them, I should be empathetic. They, too, just want to get home.”

I’d been in therapy for years, but refused to see a psychiatrist outside of the time I was forced to see them in the hospital (and I put on a face and lied my ass off to get out of that prison), but I finally saw a psychiatrist to get new antidepressants (I’d previously gotten them from my PCP), and to get whatever other diagnoses and medications he might have for me. I got put on an SSRI, and I maintain a mostly positive mood as long as I don’t stop taking them. That was also difficult and strange to come to grips with the probability that I’ll have to always take depression medication. It felt like failure, but I recently, finally, got over it after a couple of depressive episodes.

The way I see it, though, those four sentences changed my life. I got back with my ex (it wasn’t just breakup grief, she really is the most amazing person I’ve ever met), got a new job with “senior” in the title, and I’m learning new stuff every day at work now. My life is shockingly good now.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. I've found Jordan Peterson to offer similar, minus the brainless misogyny. However when I talk about Peterson to a valued friend, there is a sense of distaste. But I can't pretend to not find what he talks about really interesting. I think he offers go…

The issue with Peterson is that anything outside of socioeconomics and psychology are drivel. He has two tendencies which make him frustrating: first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics. This can be very disingenuous, as you can infer many things from the same statistic. The second, and much more egregious crime, i…

> first, he will state a statistic and follow up with an opinion, and when challenged he will reply that it’s not his views it is simply statistics.

I think you will have to give an example.

> The second, and much more egregious crime, is that he’s a climate change denier and proposes appeasement towards Russia.

Those are opinions, not crimes. And I don't believe he denies climate change, but rather many of the proposals designed to combat it are causing more harm than good, e.g. Germany unilaterally deciding to decarbonise whilst relying on Russian gas.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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post #19

Radical acceptance. When feeling frustrated with someone I care about or that is close to me, instead of trying to fix or change them or wanting them to be different, accepting without any contingency that this is exactly who they are and will be.

Yes. The more I relinquish the illusion that I can control others, and step back from the impulse to do so, the more I'm able to simply love them. Warts and all.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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You can today, prepare a better life for your future self . In other words, looking backwards, that what we are today and have today, is the result of everything we chose, did, said, and even thought, in the past. So by wielding the power of preparation, we are able to influence our own future. Example 1: Order that nice dress today, to feel better next week at that friend's party. (Prepare a great gift, so you make…

I find thinking about my future self motivating. Why wouldn't I want to do something nice for me?

Much more effective than thinking about what I "should" do.

Re: Ask HN: What mindset change made the biggest positive change for you?

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This one is going to be controversial, but as much as I despise misogyny, the motivational videos which I watched out of curiosity of Andrew Tate are quite powerful. You are feeling bad ? Get in shape, work more. Do the thigs you have been trying to avoid doing. Feeling depressed / suicidal ? No youtube / reels, do 1h of kickboxing or fitness everyday, sleep well. No excuses. Ever. Your mind IS stronger that you thin…

Jordan Peterson mostly did this for me, and I feel precisely the same way about his viewpoints. You have to have a critical mind to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Yes, I got into Peterson a few years back when there wasn't much politics around his work then I became more and more confused about what he was actually saying and now I just avoid it as it seems to be too political. I wish he'd stuck to psychology.

His deplatforming from Twitter was interesting, because about a month before he had sworn of the platform and said he was only going to post for promotional material etc, he didn't stick to it, said something they weren't happy with and then was suspended. I feel his need for attention hurts his message quite a lot.

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