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Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

#61
"Good" in what sense, to what end? Why are you on social media in the first place?

"Trending" is virtually always utter dreck. Advice on Reddit is to unsubscribe all default subs, on G+ it was to block or avoid "What's Hot" (a/k/a "What Snot"), and to avoid at all costs appearing on it.

My goals are, mostly, finding intelligent conversation, awareness of relevant information, and bouncing my own ideas off others, for further development and refinement. I agree strongly with this comment by @tomhoward (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22933833), especially about finding a small core group. Best discussion group I'd managed in recent years had about 50 subscribers, core actives about 15, but excellent discussion. It's since been dissolved and the platform it was hosted on shut down, but was good while it lasted.

The one secret hack I've found, on any platform which suports it, is "block f---wits":

https://mastodon.cloud/@dredmorbius/102504802435025145

Effectively it's a S/N boost mechanism by curtailing noise sources. It's remarkably effective.

For HN, that's not possible, but moderator intervention and user flags tend to be highly effective.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

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A few things to consider: Why do you want to get good at social media? You mention spamming tags and subscribing to things that they don't care about. What is the outcome you want from this? Getting a lot of likes/RTs? Getting a lot of followers? If that's the outcome you want, then it sounds more like you want some form of community where you can feel appreciated or encouraged. Social Media is a vacuum of constant c…

No. I wouldn't use any popular social media if I could. It's for promotion of a project. To expand on the problem, I have only once or twice susbcribed to an email listing. I consider all the other spam, irrelevant and Will never check them unless forced (some sites do even when you pay them) and other missed to opt out. I don't like seeing people spamming follow me or subscribe to me everywhere either. I know the fu…

Is your project something targeted at a general populace? How large the following do you need for it to succeed?

As other commenters mentioned, all the puppies, celebrities, politicians, and everything else you see in the "social media" are precisely the things that work on the vast majority of people. Things that pull on the strings which seem to be directly attached to our most primal instincts.

We all have those instincts, and we're all vulnerable to their exploitation. I think that the majority of people either are not aware or don't really care about being manipulated, as long as they get their fun in the end. If you're going to need the widespread support of tens of thousands or more, then you have no other way than to provide them what they - consciously or not - (came to) expect.

In the infinite diversity of human characters, though, some people are aware of the hidden (in plain sight...) dangers and manipulation techniques and do not want to be targeted by them. They're a tiny minority (again, in my experience), but thanks to the Internet, you can find a number of them. I get the feeling that you're a part of that "crowd" and that you'd be happier targeting just them. Try to think it through. How many people do you really need in your network for the project to succeed? Can you get away with just the ones you share a mindset with? If so, don't bother searching for them in the mainstream. The time you'd spend feeling bad and hesitating to post another puppy can be better spent by looking outside of the puppy-infested hate-laden cesspool of popular opinion.

This may sound elitist, but it's really not. Being in the minority and preferring to stay within that minority is a perfectly natural thing to do. You don't really have to do any coming out if you don't need it. Stay where you feel comfortable, or at least start from there. It could take you more time to accomplish whatever it is you want, but you'll be much happier along the way.

My advice if you actually really need widespread support and fast: hire a firm which will do this for you. As many others said in this thread, they are pros at this game, and you're not going to get results better than them by yourself, even if you ruin your mental health many times over.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

#63
We tend to find that our team are most interesting when they write about what they are interested in. After all, people who tend to create content to reach trending audiences often aren't writing with the same love and passion, and so what the offer is less unique. Get really into the details of what you love and you'll tend to find and connect with others who do the same and build your community that way.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

#64
It really depends on what you're trying to do with Social Media.

I tried for years to get a small business' Twitter account to take off with no success.

But I also created a personal Twitter account for political musings and it had 10 times more followers than the business account in a few months, and literally hundreds of times more engagement.

I don't think anyone is actually "good at social media" as it's constantly changing. I just think you have to take the right approach to whatever you're trying to do, and also be lucky.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

#66
People only have so much attention to allocate. It’s exponentially harder to become a star on social media platforms as the number of users grows. Look for the next platform that appeals to your audience & begin building while there is a vacuum to be filled.

Advertisements and referrals will magnify your reach. If you have money, buy ads. If you are famous on another platform or have access to other famous people, promote your channel via referrals. If you have a website with high search rank, link to your posts.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

#67
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see numbers- one of us is the "control" ...

Same. I don't see vote counts, there's no downvote buttons, and no "report" or "flag" link anywhere on HN for me.

To flag, I think you can click the "X hours ago" - that's actually a link, and flagging will be an option if you look carefully. I know they were experimenting a long time ago (apparently still are) with making upvote counts invisible. It's been a long time. The idea of 7000 upvotes on a comment is an order of magnitude for what I've ever heard of.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see numbers- one of us is the "control" ...

Same. I don't see vote counts, there's no downvote buttons, and no "report" or "flag" link anywhere on HN for me.

These and other treats will arrive as you get higher karma levels.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

#69

In the offline world, much of what "trends" is stuff that hacks people's reward system. E.g., high-fructose corn syrup, french fries, nicotine, slot machines. It's bad for us long term, but satisfies our evolved physiological needs in the short term. Most of the trending content on social media is the same, and much of modern news and commerce has adapted to it. From what you've said, you're trying to win at the same…

> It will seem painfully slow at first, but with a consistent effort over a long enough period of time, you can achieve exponential growth

This is the part most people don't get. A great example is Jonny Giger. He's a skateboarder most people have never heard of. He's pro, has his own youtube channel which now has around 380K followers. He rides for a company most people have never heard of called Revive.

He basically hacked the entire industry. His first pro video part was just released a few months ago. He's been creating his videos for EIGHT YEARS to grow his audience, and do it his own way. Because of the revenue he makes on his channel, he literally has no need for big corporate sponsors, or to constantly put on insane video parts or do well in contests to stay relevant like most pro's have to do these days.

He puts up regular content about learning tricks and revisiting old tricks that haven't been done in a long time. He has a whole series where he's just trying to learn some of Rodney Mullen's hardest tricks. In my mind, he's a legit pro and is a really skilled skater. The cool thing is he's done it completely on his own, instead of taking the normal route. Yes, it can be done, but it didn't happen over night did it? No, it didn't. It was dogged persistence on his part and sticking with something I'm sure people told him was impossible, or wasn't going to happen.

As insular as the skateboard industry is, I'm glad there are guys out there like Jonny getting it done on their own terms.

Re: Ask HN: How to get good at social media?

#70
Hate, feelings vs facts, false compassion, relatability and all that is part of the current bit of nature we are experiencing. Studying art, culture, religion and psychology has a lot of answers for how people behave. Ultimately a lot of the pop art and advertising is just plastering a film over what people want at the moment and pointing people in a direction from that.

Hate is running out of steam as we speak, in a few years it will all be money, humanism, unity, kindness, ect. Then it will be taste, the tall mother, class, sisterly love ect. The cycles of what the nature in people want can be tracked over days, months, years, decades, centuries, ect. People have been doing this stuff for millennia.

Hate, jealousy, ect are signals that something of value exists and is worth hating. Getting your product hated for silly reasons is a great boost, sell to both the haters and lovers. People won't tolerate inaccessible and distant rich or classy figures at the moment, all the cash and attention is in relatability. All the old symbols of competence and class have mostly collapsed (except for the old mainstays) so there's few ways to visibly distance yourself socially from others anyway.

It's all a big ecosystem that rumbles on, for all the 'individual brilliance of an artist/advertiser/designer' they are all using the same tools to do the same stuff, including the understanding of human psychology. Once you learn all the tools it becomes constraining what gets attention and what you can actually live off, it can only really be one thing, one story at the end of the day and everybody's competing for it.

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