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Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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The economy is just increasingly fake or rewarding foolish scummy behaviour instead of honest cooperative work. People coasted for 10+ years now on "passive income" from printed money along with almost no enforcement action against scams. That gave rise to a chain reaction of people trying to scam each other in a general revenge. Take for example a big slice of the economy - real estate. Honest real estate agents who…

I commented elsewhere but I studied Econ in college because it was a particular interest of mine. I hated it. I also wanted to understand it, so that I could know why it rubbed me the wrong way and live intentionally to push against it. There was this moment when I was in a grad course and the professor was talking about self-optimizing markets. That's when it hit me. I literally stood up in the class, interrupted ev…

You can be pareto optimal / efficient without a everyone having a 1/n share.

The idea of optimization is that everyone gets the best possible set.

E.g. Alice prefers tomatoes, Bob prefers mangos. Thus, Alice ends up with 100% of the tomatoes, Bob with 0%.

Unfortunately it's mostly the externalities and irrationality / wrong assumptions that fail us.

An economy is not optimal (or pareto efficient) iff people are disproportionally sick, sad and angry because of economical reasons (and don't trade this sickness, sadness and angriness for something that gives them more utility).

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of claims that cannot be easily verified and may never pay off even if they are true and viable. Why can't we do something about the genocide of young black men that is being committed by young black men, for example?

genocide of young black men Are you talking about a specific country in Africa? If so, what do you propose? Should we send US military to force a regime change? Because that worked so well in Afghanistan, right?

Right here in the USA.

Our crime statistics show the greatest threat to a young black male is another young black male. Look at the Chicago shooting stats every weekend.

Dig deep into gun deaths and you will see that is young men if color shooting andurdering each other in gang and criminal contexts that accounts for most of the deaths.

And yet the media can only rise to care about gun deaths when it is white children being murdered. That shows their real values.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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> Anyone else have other examples? Elected president who is so crass and generally offensive he wouldn't have gotten close to being elected 50 years ago. Elected president who is showing clear signs of age related cognitive decline (so they say) but continues to occupy the office. Elected presidents with criminal behaviour that is far worse than what previous presidents were impeached or resigned for. Mental illness,…

Reagan, Nixon?

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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I think you're way off base. It's called rosy retrospection, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection . As you already mentioned in your comments, you're judging the past disproportionately more positive that the present. If you really want to know if everything is declining, try measure it everyday for the next five years. For example, every day, rate your personal well being, track how (un)happy you are wit…

I’m always a little stunned when this (and many sibling comments) is almost always the first response to something like this. It’s probably generally true, and an appropriate response to the most dire decline narratives or things easily disproven by stats . . . But like also: really? None of this resonates with you on a personal level? If yes are you that distrustful of your own anecdata? If no: I hypothesize that yo…

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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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I think you're way off base. It's called rosy retrospection, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection . As you already mentioned in your comments, you're judging the past disproportionately more positive that the present. If you really want to know if everything is declining, try measure it everyday for the next five years. For example, every day, rate your personal well being, track how (un)happy you are wit…

Just because a thing has a name doesn't mean it's true. In many ways the past was better than the present. For example in 1965 a single average wage earner could afford a 15 year mortgage for a nice house in a nice neighborhood. And don't even get me started on architecture. There's no rosy colored glasses there. Contemporary five over ones are abominable.

For a very large chunk of the population, life is much better today than it was in 1965. Ask the average person in a 3rd world country which has now lifted out of poverty since then or someone who didn't live the straight white ideal 1965 scenario.

And even for people who did live the best possible situation of 1965, we are no longer poisoning everyone with lead and asbestos in the way we were back then. As well as many things we consider absolute requirements like air conditioning being considered an optional luxury back then.

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> Police seem to not give a shit anymore. I've noticed what seems to be total lawlessness going on in my world. Folks stealing shit. People driving absurdly dangerously in cars that are not designed to travel like that. (tailgating, lane switch, accelerating at the fastest I've ever seen a beat up Sentra do...) . I never see cops hit lights and sirens at them People say this like a truism. Go to a store, like Walmart…

>Go to a store, like Walmart or Target, fill up a basket with some goods, and then not pay for it.

People do this all the time and get away with it. Home Depots have famously been ripped off by people filling carts with power tools and walking out with staff barely batting an eye.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When faced with a sinusoid, humans seem to extrapolate exponentials in both directions. Take the business cycle, where the good times appear to approach a "new paradigm!" just before a large correction, and the bad times seem like they'll never end.

The business cycle is not a sinusoid. It’s a fractal. It’s chaotic and oddly correlated. Also, sinusoids are exponentials. ;)

Oh! could you elaborate on this? To me even the name "business cycle" hints towards a cyclical/periodical movement. Sinusoids are not exponentials, sinusoids are periodical. They seem exponential for a short while though. The growthfactor also declines at some point. Could you elaborate on why you think its fractal?

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of claims that cannot be easily verified and may never pay off even if they are true and viable. Why can't we do something about the genocide of young black men that is being committed by young black men, for example?

We cant fix that because our economic system is rigged against black people. They are kicked down and are forced to fight each other for scraps. The same rigging benefits you (probably) and thus you cannot think of a solution. This rigging starts very early. It's the looks they get in the supermarket. It's how educators think these kids are less smart and give them less chances. Their parents dont educate them in sma…

Blacks had their families destroyed by slavery and now again by social programs that reward women for being single mothers.
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