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Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Tl;dr: Recognizing that I prefer 1:1 conversations as opposed to big groups helped me a ton.

First of all, figure out what's "good for you" versus what's a societal expectation that you can skip. For instance, when I was younger, I didn't like going clubbing or taking dates to loud bars with groups of people, because that's...not me. Solution: go for coffee/lunch dates instead. Easy.

For things that are "good for you" but not comfortable, find ways to make them easier based on your known preferences. As an example, I decided that I wanted to go to some networking events. While there, I tried to talk to other people who were there by themselves; it was easier for me to strike up at 1:1 conversation than to try to join a big group. I also found that if I went to networking events alone, not with a friend, it was easier to meet people.

Your preferences may be different, but play to your strengths or the things you already know you can do, and build from there.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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I have gone through periods of social awkwardness and the opposite- social confidence. It absolutely has everything to do with my own perception and opinion of myself- my self-confidence. Duh, right?

What makes you confident? The answer, for me at least, is "feeling like I'm good at the thing that matters."

I was awkward in middle school- I didn't understand the general social dynamic. I was "too smart" and didn't fit in. In high school I started working out, started going to parties, suddenly realized that the opposite sex was attracted to me, too- and became very confident.

I was therefore confident in college... but became awkward halfway through. I wasn't making good grades in my EE courses- I had never learned how to study! I was now the opposite of "too smart". I started smoking too much weed and became reclusive. I went through a number of girlfriends and hurt some friendships. I was now back to being awkward.

This didn't change until I graduated and got a job. At that point I was probably the MOST awkward I have ever felt. I didn't know what I was doing at work (electric utility). I was losing touch with friends. I broke up with my long-term girlfriend. This all changed when... yep, you guessed it, I got good at work. I also met an amazing woman (who I am now married to) who really helped me build my emotional intelligence. I am now confident in my life.

So what I've learned, for me at least, is my confidence is a function of if I'm thriving in the environment I find myself in. If you are in a toxic environment- get out. If you're not fit for your environment- get good. I really do think it is just that simple.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

#554

Practice. Practice practice practice. Which sounds daunting, but… …now, I realize it’s unfair to map physical appearance to awkwardness, but…let’s take a look at me in 2008 versus 2021. https://imgur.com/7sR0qKt Can you infer I might have been awkward? Because I was awkward. Always had been, and in a lot of ways, I am still am. But I am vastly better than I used to be. And it was practice. Slow, slow, slow practice.…

Practice for sure. One thing I noticed with covid was just how out of practice I got. I felt vastly more critical of myself in social situations that would have been very normal pre covid (for example, being the first one to a social gathering and needing to make small talk with the host). Isolation really compounds awkwardness, since awkwardness (generally) leads to more isolation.

I think that social skills really are muscles that need to be developed and maintained. Have you ever tried brushing your teeth with the wrong hand? No amount of thinking and focus will get you the same fluidity as using your usual hand. Instead, you need to just suck for a while and practice until the muscles passively develop. Others have mentioned going to bars or the gym, but I'd also recommend joining a hiking group, a book club, or even attending a church that matches your beliefs. Basically, any sort of activity that has a somewhat consistent group of attendees and where the main focus of the event isn't talking. That way you can still feel successful even if you say very little, which can hopefully reduce the overanalyzing and self doubt that comes from awkwardness.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

#555
I'm not sure that being shy or introverted is a problem that needs to be solved.

That being said, I'm a lot less introverted when I have a job to do. If I'm at a party with 50 people, I'm going to be against the wall, hanging out with 2-3 people, and facing the entrances/exits. But if I have to train 50 people? I'll do what I need to do. I still prefer not to have my back to the entrance/exit, but I can be an engaging speaker. When I have a job to do.

If you find that anxiety really negatively impacts your life, cognitive behavioral therapy can help.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

#556
post #552

I've only seen one mention in this thread but wow beta-blockers were a game-changer for me.

Which brand did you try? The one I tried made my sweating even worse, which was the opposite of what I wanted lol.

Propranolol

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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These comments make me feel like I'm getting old, which is weird to me. There are so many proactive comments that remind me of my 18 year old self. Social awkwardness, for me and for a lot of people I know, sort of just vanished with age. - The same kind of weird, unexplainable, vicious attitude that passes for cool among teenagers and some early adults fades for most people. The people who still adhere to that code…

It reminds me an interview of the "Groland" creators, the best trash and vulgar comedy tv show in France. They use a lot of elderly actors, playing insane characters, lots of nudity etc... There was a question about the choice of using so much elderly actors, they said "they can do almost anything, they have nothing to lose". Nailed it.
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