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Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

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This is in fact normal and nothing is wrong. If you are throwing a party and invite 100 guests, only 10 will show up. 9 out of 10 will flake out. This is normal and that's how people work. People don't initiate conversations. It's very rare to meet somebody who will initiate conversation, and keep it going. If you want to have good time, that's on you (to keep finding topics and jumping from theme to theme, have a li…

This advice is perfect. Initially (and perhaps always) it is all about the quantity. I have a friend who went from having just a few geeky friends (including me right) to a thriving social life. He wanted to get a girlfriend so he gave it his all for two years. He read things like 'The Game' and cold started hundreds of conversations with strangers.

Don't let people convince you that it's weird or that this should come natural. In the modern world something like 80% of people are lonely, even if they have a partner they might fully dissociated from friends. Being social is not the norm and it takes effort to break from the norm.

Also, and this is just my personal opinion, don't let people convince you that reading literature about this is wrong. Every single book will tell you going out and meeting people is the most important activity, but books like 'The Game' give you tips and tricks on how to overcome anxiety and get more out of your efforts. Don't shirk the pick up artist community, just don't drink the koolaid and start believing oneitis is the bane of existence or that it's OK to insult women. It's actually a great resource if you can look past that.

Anyway, if you want to make this happen fast, make it your full time job. Literally invest 40 hours per week into it. It's what the popular kids did back in highschool, and now you're behind.

Edit: oh forgot, my personal favorite book is 'how to talk to anyone', by Leil something. It's a short book with reminders about social interaction.

Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

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post #27

Disregard all definitive answers in this thread. You have provided so little information, it is impossible to answer your question with any reasonable degree accuracy. The best way for you to receive an answer that is close to reality is to visit several psychotherapists and talk to professionals qualified to talk about your personal issues while maintaining your privacy. It would be also beneficial to learn more abo…

> Disregard all definitive answers in this thread > The best way for you Well done... Not that it's bad advice, but still.

The described "best way" is actually the reasoning behind the suggestion for disregarding the definitive answers.

Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

#54
I guess a lot of programmers can at least partially identify with this:

"You see your report here says that you are an extremely dull person. You see, our experts describe you as an appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company and irrepressibly drab and awful."

"And whereas in most professions these would be considerable drawbacks," in your profession "they are a positive boon." (You work in front of the screen the whole day anyway).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azkFz1ZbXyU

Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

#55
post #27

Disregard all definitive answers in this thread. You have provided so little information, it is impossible to answer your question with any reasonable degree accuracy. The best way for you to receive an answer that is close to reality is to visit several psychotherapists and talk to professionals qualified to talk about your personal issues while maintaining your privacy. It would be also beneficial to learn more abo…

> Disregard all definitive answers in this thread > The best way for you Well done... Not that it's bad advice, but still.

The synonyms for definitive are conclusive, final, ultimate. My advice is not an ultimate one, it is a intermediate strategy (a best one from my point of view) to achieve a definitive answer. So I'll stand by my wording :)

Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

#56
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the subject of manliness, get to the gym. Lift some heavy weights. It will do wonders for your testosterone levels which will in turn boost your confidence and esteem. As a bonus you will also look better and feel better.

This is true, if you can get over the fact that results will come very slowly, and that, in the gyms I've visited at least, most of the people there are already ripped and can make you feel somewhat inadequate.

Results come a lot quicker for beginners. If you are feeling intimidated about going to the gym at first, it would be worth getting a personal trainer who can show you the ropes and get you started on a program. It gets rid of the fear of being that beginner who has no idea what they are doing.

Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

#57
I have another advice:

Since many and me wrote that you should NOT go out and look for friends since it makes you needy and people smell the neediness it's is important to note that having a few good friends is the key to happiness. Just one or two is enough. People you can call anytime.

Now I said that you shouldn't actively look out for those but I am saying at the same time that they are the key for happiness. Without friends depression comes quick.

Let's dive into 'friendship', what are friends? Is there an abstract concept for it? Or what is more interesting here—how does friendship evolve? It's quite simple and we start with an anti example: imagine you met a guy some night you went out. He has some similarities like same interests und you guys both recognize that you need friends and decide to meet more often to do stuff together. You go a few times out and then you guys realize that you have nothing to talk anymore. So you decide to do some active stuff, you guys play tennis, it's fun but you guys are still not friends, after the match you head to your places without talking too much. You go out more often, chase girls together. Fun but you still no friends, rather competitors. So why did no friendship evolve here? You guys had the same interest, did many activities together and still feel awkward together and have nothing of significance to tell?

The answer in my experience is that the relationship I describes before is based on a voluntary setup that means that nobody forced you guys to be together. Every time you met you had to act to see each other, no external force brought you together.

A beneficial setup for evolving friendship is a forced community with a hostile participant or just somebody with more power. Friendship easily evolves there where people have a common enemy and the need to form alliances. School is the perfect example with the teacher as the enemy. The older the people get there are less forced communities. You office is also a forced community with managers as 'enemies' but since there is a lot of change and office politics involved friendships there are very prone to fall quickly apart.

The bigger/stronger/tyrannic the enemy is the stronger your friendship will be and once the enemy is away you friendship will slowly fade.

Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

#58

Absent more information, it's difficult to tell. There are a bajillion possible reasons people aren't hanging out with you. Off the top of my head, some of the reasons I don't like to hang out with certain people include them being overly argumentative, saying racist things, leaning in too closely to me while talking, not taking things seriously, taking things too seriously, and body odor. It's also possible that you…

"If you feel uncomfortable asking that kind of question or if you're concerned that you won't get an honest response, tell them you're gathering data for a study or something."

Tell them you're a student actor trying out some character traits. The character you're playing is supposed to be a bit annoying or unlikeable. Ask them how you went in portraying those traits.

Re: Ask HN: What is wrong with me?

#59
If you get social offers, say yes as often as possible. Someone wants to go out but you're feeling a bit tired and sitting on the couch? Get off your butt. Short of money? "Watching my alcohol intake this month - will have a couple and then stick to waters if that's OK with you."
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