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Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

#51
I'd like to summarize what you speak of above.

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Career: You have multiple degrees, lost work during COVID19, have Bellingcat certification, and have not been able to find any new employment, including physical low-level jobs like dishwasher.

Savings: You indicate you were evicted from your home after your family withdrew support, but despite the phrase 'withdrew support', seem to also indicate they are funding the monthly bill for your current long-term hotel. You have no savings.

Emotion: You have CPTSD, you feel anxious/fearful, you have low hope, and you feel betrayed and taken advantage of.

Substance Abuse: you are drinking, but not using hard drugs.

Health: Due to the blood sugar comment, I'm presuming you may have diabetes, or blood sugar issues.

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I'm going to make some suggestions. I'm entering into a bit of a colder mode as I write this. Because of this, I want to pre-emptively say that I DO have empathy for you; it's just the place I go when I try to channel survivalism instincts.

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PHYSICAL

It is often easy to believe our body and our mind are separate; that our soul is different from our body. But alcohol is a depressant. Low blood sugar will make you sad and angry. In both those cases, those feelings will not feel like they come from your biology; you will feel you have perfect mental/emotional reasons to feel that way. So, for this first item:

First, I would suggest at this point you vow to not take another drink, at least for now, and only resume at some far future point where your life is stable, where you feel well, and, most importantly, where you've talked the decision over with a mental health professional, to rule out any concern of addiction. This is not criticism of you; this is a survivalist decision. I had a friend literally drink himself to organ failure and die. Every person in the world will claim they can manage their illness.

(Also, alcohol makes your blood sugar drop. Your liver stops working on producing glucose, as it gives higher priority to the poison (alcohol). As such, since it's not producing glucose any more, your blood sugar drops.)

Second, go to a free health clinic, and have someone there test your A1C. It will tell you what your blood sugar's been over the last three months. I suspect your blood sugar isn't stable. If it's constantly too low, you will feel sad, shaky, angry, and you can't operate. If it's constantly too high, there's many other issues. If it's stable, then good. (As a side note, only AFTER you know that your blood sugar isn't too high -- and don't think that that's solely food-related -- most pharmacies sell little packs of glucose tablets about the size of a Life Savers roll, back near the pharmacy, as well as larger jars. For simply addressing the low sugar concern, they are useful.)

CAREER

To me, I see the lack of ability to get manual work like dishwashing as a flag that something may be wrong with how you are presenting yourself at job interviews. As such, if there is anyone who is the kind of person who is in the job-seeking or "day-to-day" world -- perhaps shelter management, perhaps somewhere else -- who can give you a honest opinion, try that. I have seen people who are well-meaning but who have one fatal flaw in how they present themselves that will torpedo any interview they go to. I am guessing you may have one, and you may simply need someone to tell you so you can correct it. You basically need to find someone who will let you do practice interviews and give you feedback -- and then take that feedback, with no ego. What you're used to - or what you think worked for you - isn't any longer, so you need to follow others' advice.

After that, if I were in your circumstance, I'd look for this - perhaps a Walmart worker, perhaps a dishwasher, perhaps something - and work that job until you have a modicum of stability on a lower level than perhaps you're used to pre-layoff. Once you have a moderate income coming in, then start to look at your resume and your work in the field you wish to return to. Start applying to those, but do so when the pressure has been removed from you in terms of day-to-day living by your interim job. It will mean you will come across as more self-assured and relaxed at an interview, and these translate to positive impressions.

INTERIM ADVICE

Go to Reddit. Look at /r/povertyfinance, /r/assistance, /r/homeless, /r/almosthomeless, /r/food_pantry.

Libraries have also become tremendous resources for those in dire need, including homeless. Go to your nearest one. Ask if they have resources they might suggest. Only in the reddest of states -- and maybe not even there, as most librarians are good everywhere -- might you encounter any unpleasant responses.

MENTAL ATTITUDE

As someone with /r/CPTSD herself (and yes, Reddit has a /r/CPTSD forum that is very good), as someone who has definitely despaired and been a month or two away from losing it all, I will tell you that I personally have experienced much (not all) of what you've gone through.

It is extremely, extremely easy to say to yourself that you have lost control. That you are helpless, and that you are having things done to you.

For me, I have coped through a sort of internal "parts work" or "Internal Family Systems" concept -- basically, in that I mentally assign roles to different people in my head. I don't mean this to insult anyone who legitimately struggles with DID, but I have done a lot of emotional coping in my life by having people inside me argue.

And, as I suggested above, what I think might be of benefit to you is to let a cold, iron controller take control of you. Let them say damn the world, you are taking control of your life. There is a poem out there called 'Invictus'. It is public domain, and free on Wikipedia. It ends with: "I am the master of my fate / I am the captain of my soul." Hang it on your wall. Say that you will seize control. Things won't be done to you; you will do. That doesn't mean act on every emotion; a captain doesn't just madly stake a claim to steer into the rocks and demand everyone follow him into the crash.

But take your compass and plot your course, then steer your ship. STEER YOUR SHIP. Seize the wheel.

I wish you luck.

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

#52
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What keeps you from being employed as a store clerk or something like that? Is it citizenship issues? Have you tried remote work sites, or something like upwork? Is there an unemployment office near you? It might even be your location, per my understanding jobs are more abundant in urban or close-to-urban areas, but require having a car or housing in that area. What if you secured a job first via an unemployment offi…

> What keeps you from being employed as a store clerk or something like that? Is it citizenship issues? I mean, like many people I'm not best suited to working a register if I can code in bash and python. It's the typical issues when you're raised Catholic, have to rely on family for support. I'm a US citizen and eligible for an Italian passport, but I don't have the funds to continue the process.

> I mean, like many people I'm not best suited to working a register if I can code in bash and python.

I worked a fast-food job for a month (and was proud of the effort I put into it - the customers were getting the best quality sandwiches while I was on shift!) when I fell on hard times earlier on in my life despite having been a successful developer in the past.

That job carried me through the job search & interviewing process for my next position which meant I could have a roof over my head (helps with keeping a good appearance and looking presentable), afford to actually make it to the interview (it was an office 2 hours away) and allow me to not be desperate about it. I can guarantee you that I wouldn't have got the job regardless of my technical skills if there was any hint that I was homeless, so having a roof over your head and being able to afford basic necessities is a major priority.

Get the menial job and rebuild from there. Right now your priority should be any job so you can rent a survivable place. It doesn't have to be pretty (neither the job or the place), it should just be enough so you can keep yourself together and maintain appearances when hunting for your actual, long-term job.

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

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For some folks finding a position as a camp host can help ease one's distress. Campers are almost always relaxed, friendly, and out to have a good time. The campground, itself, is usually a beautiful and pleasant place to be. While it's only for part of the year and doesn't solve all one's issues (food for example), it can help move one's life forward.

If you have specific suggestions, I enjoy that kind of work, the main reason I don't say, work at a hostel is I lack th EU passport, as I mentioned in the thread.

Where are you right now? You mention being a US citizen - why would you need a EU passport to get such a job in the US?

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

#54
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You mention you don't use drugs but then you start talking about being an activist, potentially doing something extreme, and looking for "jobs for people with depression". The problem is that all of this still screams "baggage". Maybe not as bad as a hard drug problem or criminal record, but it's still "baggage" that nobody would want to deal with when there's plenty of other people that either don't have it or hide…

That's part of the issue -- I'm a former altar server who joined the DSA when my NRA dad smashed my laptop. My activissm got the mayor replaced and a state senator arrested. One of the township police who kept insisting I need to not make my dad aangry if I don't want firearms pointed at me got arrested for talking to too many teenagers on the internet. I was hoping to find allies here, but everyone is a libertarian…

You need to put politics aside, right now you need all the help you can get, regardless of whom it comes from. Is there a way to mend the relationship with your family by being open and pretending to be interest/supporting of their political views?

That would actually be the best outcome, not just in the short term but also in the future as it would give you a healthy relationship with your family.

It also sounds like your activism definitely ruffled some feathers and upset the status-quo in your community which isn't great if you now want help from said community. Even if your morals were just, this at the very least screams "troublemaker" which no employer would take a chance on if they have plenty of other candidates with no such "baggage".

Getting back on track with your family might also be a gateway for you to re-engage with your local community and make yourself a good name beyond being a troublemaker who got a bunch of people fired/arrested.

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely want to extend help. If your interviewers see that your speech and thoughts are unusual, you won’t get a job. If you get a job, you won’t be able to keep it. If your goal is to get a job and be housed, seeking mental help treatment can help you succeed in that goal.

>If your goal is to get a job and be housed, seeking mental help treatment can help you succeed in that goal. I have spoken to these places prior -- they did not do as they promised, it's why we replaced the myor. I'd prefer to leave Pittsburgh if folks are going to insist I "get treatment" that consists of... listing off traumas to some woman who bills for speaking to me then goes off to spend it on things I never w…

> I have spoken to these places prior -- they did not do as they promised, it's why we replaced the myor.

Sounds like you definitely made a name for yourself and even though the underlying morals of your activism might be good this doesn't lessen the impact on your local community so it might be that you are effectively "persona non grata" there?

> I'm on the autisti spectrum, I can do an interview.

I second what the parent comment said - your thoughts are indeed unusual based on your writings here.

> Keep in mind... I'm an edge case. I knew Vilerat. I worked for an EFF board member. I'm a literal dissident.

Don't know who that is, but either way being an edge-case and dissident isn't something to be proud of for someone in your situation. You need to sweep all of this under the carpet and not bring it up ever until you get back on track. Lie and make up a believable backstory if necessary.

> People like say, Richard Baumhaummers(sp?), who shot up the Indian grocer down the road from where I used to get my haircut... he didn't go to Waterfall and have a nice vodka mate. He didn't go to the Louvre. > He was all insane, all the time, in a way that wasn't due to drugs or alcohol. > I am worried people are not interacting in good faith, and that I'm scared I will not react diplomatically to this pattern continuing.

Bringing these things up is completely irrelevant and weird which would put people off. The last bit especially is unnecessary - what are you hoping to achieve with such a threat? Do you just want people to tell you what you want to hear and reaffirm your misguided thoughts? That might make you feel better but won't help you get off the streets.

Based on the above you absolutely have a communication problem (and maybe indeed a mental health problem that you should seek help for) and I think this might be the reason you've basically lost touch with everyone despite name-dropping some pretty famous companies you've been involved with?

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely want to extend help. If your interviewers see that your speech and thoughts are unusual, you won’t get a job. If you get a job, you won’t be able to keep it. If your goal is to get a job and be housed, seeking mental help treatment can help you succeed in that goal.

>If your goal is to get a job and be housed, seeking mental help treatment can help you succeed in that goal. I have spoken to these places prior -- they did not do as they promised, it's why we replaced the myor. I'd prefer to leave Pittsburgh if folks are going to insist I "get treatment" that consists of... listing off traumas to some woman who bills for speaking to me then goes off to spend it on things I never w…

I'm sorry, but what you just wrote makes very little sense for anyone reading this.

Please consider contacting a social worker. HN cannot help you with this type of issue.

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

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You ask for help, but you don't tell us the sort of information we would need to help: - Where are you? - What education do you have? - What work experience do you have? - What other marketable skills do you have, if any? - What family and friends do you have that could provide any support?

> Where are you? Pittsburgh, PA > What education do you have? PhD ABD Security Informatics >What work experience do you have? Mozila and PARC, UX Researcher, Pentester at Tech Impact >What other marketable skills do you have, if any? In addition to numerous UX research papers I can code in bash and python, and do light C/C++ perl and a few others (basially, enough to understand and deploy a vuln) >What family and fri…

Please edit this and remove any company names. You'll be grateful later when you look back and realise some of the ramblings you've posted here are not flattering and you'd rather not have potential employers/business connections being able to find it.

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely want to extend help. If your interviewers see that your speech and thoughts are unusual, you won’t get a job. If you get a job, you won’t be able to keep it. If your goal is to get a job and be housed, seeking mental help treatment can help you succeed in that goal.

>If your goal is to get a job and be housed, seeking mental help treatment can help you succeed in that goal. I have spoken to these places prior -- they did not do as they promised, it's why we replaced the myor. I'd prefer to leave Pittsburgh if folks are going to insist I "get treatment" that consists of... listing off traumas to some woman who bills for speaking to me then goes off to spend it on things I never w…

> listing off traumas to some woman who bills for speaking to me

I think you would benefit greatly from a different kind of treatment, with an antipsychotic. Your comments remind me so much of a brilliant person in my family who was able return to his high-level FAANG job after beginning antipsychotic treatment.

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe you that you can't get a job, sorry. This is the best job market in my lifetime for laborers. My roommate, who hasn't worked in 10 years, got the very first job she applied for, no questions asked, $17/hour with tips, prepping food at a restaurant. There are an enormous number of job openings like this.

I just had someone reneg on an offer, and I'm sitting in a coffeeshop where half the staff make shitty comments when they don't think I can hear then because despite being just as economically precarious as them, they think I'm some kind of tech bro. I was hoping people would be an ally, and see this is an issue solved by a referral or recruiter, but apparently you're going to troll me like I saw them troll the guy w…

A recruiter won't help.

The typical interview process for positions you are qualified for would be weeks, during which you should always be presentable (difficult when homeless), be available to take video calls on short notice, and not have any mental health breakdowns like some of your writing here suggests you might be experiencing.

You've said multiple things on this thread here which will absolutely make people go "WTF?" and end the hiring process out of caution. Hell, speaking to the tech industry right now in this state would probably make it worse for you down the line.

But if you really want a recruiter, just Google and call them up? You did mention though that companies use interviews as free consultancy rounds - most likely what's happening is that something in your background or behavior is making them terminate the hiring process midway through. That is a problem you'll need to work on in due course.

Right now you need to get a local menial job so you can rebuild. Not only will these jobs be generally easier to get than an SW job, it's not a big loss to lose one so you can make mistakes. Use that job to get yourself together (both physically and mentally) and then get back into the tech industry.

Several people mentioned that menial jobs are aplenty; I just searched Indeed for "waiter" jobs in Pittsburgh PA and indeed (no pun intended) I got multiple pages of results. Please apply to those and see how it goes.

Re: Ask HN: How did you escape homelessness?

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Dude, I am in a similar situation but I know how to get back to my feed. Big question: How old are you? This makes a big difference. > Is that what I should do... emigrate back where I came from? No, but you should write down ALL options that you have. Italian citizenship is not bad, it would allow you to work in all EU countries. Also, this can be a 2 year gig. Gets you back on your feet, that's it. Were you born in…

I was born in Pittsburgh. I was born in the late 80s.

This is comparably young, that is GOOD.

Some people here in the thread are suspecting mental issues. Please take this very seriously even if you think you are fine. Please consider getting medical help.

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