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Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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From my lowly developer point of view. Power may be a bit quicker than Intel, but it's unfamiliar to many. Nvidia is breaking new ground, it's sexy, accessible, and cheaper. On the software side it's a similar story. Why use their unknown proprietary cloud stuff when I can just make use of the plethora python/julia/clojure/R stuff? AWS is fancy and ever expanding, Softlayer is a PITA. IBM biz news http://finance.yaho…

AWS does cater to enterprise customers, but do they have the same one point of contact style service that IBM has historically provided?

AWS enterprise customers get case managers as points of escalation and this is a generally accepted strategy for almost everyone in enterprise to the extent that I believe customers would be very concerned if this type of customer outreach model was not in place. This does not necessarily mean that this is the same thing as a services style engagement manager either.

Note that this does not mean that I think it's optimal, but I do mean that a vast majority of enterprises have a form of group-think culturally that makes this approach something that's demanded as a standard service offering that is no different than developers expecting APIs from a hosted service.

Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blech!! It's too bad that companies like both IBM and Yahoo! didnt do a better job in capturing the startup market given the hoards of cash they both have. Talk about 900 pound gorillas, they got their asses handed to them even though they could have funded every single startup in the valley over the last ten years and not put a dent in their reserves... I'm curious to know why these companies with massive cash stock…

It's always been controversial whether a company should be allowed to invest in new fields. Over the last 100 years a few people have even made the argument that it is illegal for a company to invest in a new fields. There were some lawsuits about this in the 20th Century, though the courts always sided with the corporations. Still, the argument is interesting to consider. Suppose it is 1995 and Microsoft it at the p…

This isnt what I asked at all.

If MSFT has BILLIONS in the bank - why do they literally sit on the money instead of investing heavily in GOOG when GOOG is born?

I am not saying a company should give the money they have in the bank back to their shareholders to invest - I am saying why dont they actively invest in startups VERY AGGRESSIVELY as opposed to sitting on the money entirely.

Also, I am literally only talking about one industry - tech - so I am expecting that those that are in tech beget tech startups....

Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always been controversial whether a company should be allowed to invest in new fields. Over the last 100 years a few people have even made the argument that it is illegal for a company to invest in a new fields. There were some lawsuits about this in the 20th Century, though the courts always sided with the corporations. Still, the argument is interesting to consider. Suppose it is 1995 and Microsoft it at the p…

This isnt what I asked at all. If MSFT has BILLIONS in the bank - why do they literally sit on the money instead of investing heavily in GOOG when GOOG is born? I am not saying a company should give the money they have in the bank back to their shareholders to invest - I am saying why dont they actively invest in startups VERY AGGRESSIVELY as opposed to sitting on the money entirely. Also, I am literally only talking…

Because your question depends on MSFT being able to see into the future.

Second, if they did know that the Google business model would be successful they could just have copied it to out-google Google.

Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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IBM is suffering the fate of OPEC countries, except with technology. IBM wasn't diversified. (Sure, IBM has lots of products, but it usually sold licenses to all these products in large bundles, rarely did anyone buy just DB2, rather, agreements purchased entire ecosystem of IBM software/hardware). IBM was built on a single golden goose "massive multi-million dollar agreements with Fortune 500 CTO's for thousands of…

IBM's trick was to recognise that nerds are bad at selling stuff. Even up to the 90s, sales + support + okay product > great product. Then nerds took over IT (the world?):

> Nowadays, developers regularly make the purchasing decisions

Oops. Suddenly, you can't just cover over product weaknesses with sales. I want a slick, downloadable, preferably OSS demo which I can evaluate (and fix), not a slick sales guy. They just lie.

> IBM is way behind on automation and lacks the talent, so they've had to make acquisitions and "strategic partnerships" to buy it.

... and then they constantly scare away that acquihired talent by e.g. not using `git`, but their own SCM called "Rational Team Concert" (which is worse than `svn`). Suddenly, the avg. day of a dev became 1/3 as productive and x5 as frustrating.

It isn't that they treat developers horribly, they just don't know how to please them. You end up with dev teams of barely average "enterprise" developers, who are put under pressure by flailing managers and executives to "deliver". So they simply add to the decades of technical debt. Now most products are "rotten" to the core in this way, so you need ever bigger support and manual test/QA teams. Release cycles elongate, features take months to develop in a fragile code base. Sales, assuming they weren't douchebags to begin, have nothing good to sell. So management "incentivises" them instead of investing that money in a good product. Thus, the cycle continues.

In this way, it's also insidious for your career unless you want to move out of tech (because IBM's general reputation is okay). If you want to stay in tech you really have to be keeping up with the outside world, otherwise you'll get a nasty shock in that interview when it turns out you don't know how to use `git`.

Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isnt what I asked at all. If MSFT has BILLIONS in the bank - why do they literally sit on the money instead of investing heavily in GOOG when GOOG is born? I am not saying a company should give the money they have in the bank back to their shareholders to invest - I am saying why dont they actively invest in startups VERY AGGRESSIVELY as opposed to sitting on the money entirely. Also, I am literally only talking…

Because your question depends on MSFT being able to see into the future. Second, if they did know that the Google business model would be successful they could just have copied it to out-google Google.

Surely this is what Bing was attempted to be

Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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Robert Cringley has a recent book about the decline of IBM - http://www.cringely.com/2014/06/04/decline-fall-ibm/ - I found it pretty interesting. His thesis is that IBM's management has consistently goosed short-term profits by making cuts that hurt it long term. It off-shored technical work, under-invested in quality, tooling and automation, laid off older more experienced workers, etc. I don't have any first hand…

It jelled with what I know anecdotally. Their Indian outsourcing is terrible, bad compensation, nothing close to Google or other tech companies in India. This is from a few years back.

Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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Accountants have taken over leadership roles, resulting in a corporate-wide prioritization of earnings-per-share promises over engineering and logistics.

Blech!! It's too bad that companies like both IBM and Yahoo! didnt do a better job in capturing the startup market given the hoards of cash they both have. Talk about 900 pound gorillas, they got their asses handed to them even though they could have funded every single startup in the valley over the last ten years and not put a dent in their reserves... I'm curious to know why these companies with massive cash stock…

> though they could have funded every single startup

That is actually an interesting perspective.

Re: Ask HN: What's going on at IBM?

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I'm surprised only one comment here mentions patents. IBM are filing patents as fast ever, and while they're trying to get into "the cloud" like everyone else, I get the impression that they're also still working on hardware R&D, as well as the AI research that goes into projects such as Watson.

Also they calculate the Wimbledon serve speeds, so they've got that going for them which is nice.

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