Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Post by marcus_holmes » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 9:58 AM UTC

28220968 wrote: post #461

marcus_holmes wrote: post #452

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Yes, but it happens on your iPhone . So what happens on your iPhone isn't staying on your iPhone like they said it would.

So when I said: Am I missing something more than "but it's happening on-device!"? Your answer is "no".

I think you're deliberately missing the point here.

It's not whether it happens on-device, off-device, in the cloud, in the tubes, or anywhere.

It's that Apple said that they would not do this, and now they're doing this. You can make technical quibbles that what they promised was slightly different to what they're doing, but they're irrelevant. The core promise of "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" is being broken. It's that breaking of the promise that people are angry about. Does that make sense?

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Post by rendall » Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #485

rendall wrote: post #482

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Your point is valid but offers cold comfort. The government raiding your cloud without a warrant grants you more legal protection than Apple handing it over.

I mean I get it, I don't like people snooping in my stuff, but on the other hand I can't fathom why any online service provider would be okay with hosting criminal activity on their platform. If we want constitutional rights to extend to our online hosting, we should be asking for the government to own and operate a public cloud platform paid for with our taxes.

> I can't fathom why any online service provider would be okay with hosting criminal activity on their platform

Me neither.

I can fathom not wanting random Apple or government employees pawing through my personal shit, especially because, and you will discover this if you talk to any competent defense attorney, LEO incentive is not to bring criminals to justice, but to get convictions. There is a huge difference.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Post by ostenning » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

commoner wrote: post #457

ostenning wrote: post #305

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Linux needs a decent productivity suite of apps (preview, mail, calendar etc) the current offering is terrible

Replacements, all decent or better: - Preview: GNOME Document Viewer (now supports PDF form filling), Master PDF Editor (paid and proprietary), built-in PDF editor in Firefox/Chromium, Okular; GNOME Image Viewer, Gwenview, Pantheon Photos (part of elementary OS) - Mail: Thunderbird, Evolution, Kontact (KMail component), Geary, Pantheon Mail, Claws Mail, Mailspring - Calendar: Thunderbird (built-in calendar), GNOME Ca…

I’ve sincerely tried every mail and calendar client and they all fall short