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Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by dang »

keepamovin wrote: post #298
dang wrote: post #42

We don't allow genai text on HN itself - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 . How to enforce it is a separate question, of course, but the rule exists. We don't have a similar rule yet about article content but my sense is that the community mostly doesn't want to read it—or, to put it more conservatively, discounts it. This is why we see s…

Let's make flags public, too. Flagged_by link. Congratulations on your recursive ascension, too

That would just supply ammunition to the kind of users who like to go after other users. We want to discourage that, not encourage it.

Also, votes and flags are personal, even intimate data. I can't imagine publishing it.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by baubino »

grayclhn wrote: post #202
dang wrote: post #42

We don't allow genai text on HN itself - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 . How to enforce it is a separate question, of course, but the rule exists. We don't have a similar rule yet about article content but my sense is that the community mostly doesn't want to read it—or, to put it more conservatively, discounts it. This is why we see s…

I think classifying it as an allergy or a status thing is a little too glib. I’ve read and reviewed, conservatively, hundreds of AI generated documents for work, and “written”/commissioned a bunch too. My biggest issue is that it’s impossible to engage with and give feedback on an AI written document, because it’s impossible to know whether misconceptions or gaps are because the author doesn’t understand the material…

> it’s impossible to know whether misconceptions or gaps are because the author doesn’t understand the material deeply enough or the author does but the AI doesn’t and the author’s not proofreading carefully enough

It doesn’t matter. The human responsible for the written piece is … responsible for the written piece. If someone is willing to use AI to supplement their own intellect and/or writing abilities, then they need to take ownership of the mistakes, misconceptions, etc., that come along with that, the same as an author who does all the work themselves. The problem you’ve identified here is that the human responsible for the writing is not fully taking responsibility for the writing.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by rsoto2 »

dang wrote: post #271
rsoto2 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Investors want to see their investment grow. What is the conspiracy? HN also hosted a likely war criminal to talk about his experiencing killing children in gaza. You think these people have morals or ideals?

> HN also hosted a likely war criminal to talk about his experiencing killing children in gaza. WTF? What do you mean by "hosted"? I know it's the internet's happy place to blithely accuse others of monstrosity and then derive from that how nobody other then themselves has any "morals or ideals", but this one sticks in my craw.

I was incorrect there was no AMA, the soldier was in the comments of a thread about israel

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by rsoto2 »

tomhow wrote: post #465
rsoto2 wrote: post #463

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My mistake you are correct. I will edit my previous comments

Thank you. If you would like to edit past comments, you can email us (hn@ycombinator.com) and we can work with you to correct the record.

Thanks and apologies for the grief. I have replied at least to the parent comment from this thread to correct myself. I mentioned it I think two previous times and I didn't realize you couldn't reply to old comments. I'll send an email

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by grayclhn »

grayclhn wrote: post #417
westurner wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what is there to say Ways to contribute: Peer review, human code review, money for tokens for code and code review, configure SAST and DAST tools to make it DevSecOps instead of DevOpsSec, configure AGENTS.md and an /upgrade-dependencies-and-run-tests skill, Compare "It's inadequate because it's AI" with "it looks like this generation of agents doesn't yet handle this quality aspect with or without explicit prompts…

Just skimmed your resume and, assuming it’s up to date, it looks like you mostly work independently. If that’s the case, I can totally see why my argument doesn’t resonate. “The author doesn’t understand the material” isn’t an ad hominem — most of my work involves working with other people, usually less experienced, to help them deliver reasonably complex econometric or ML models. Sometimes I’m hands on, usually not.…

Too late to edit - should have looked at comment history and not profile I guess, because like an idiot I spent time replying to a clearly ai-written comment… Well GP isn’t going to learn anything from my (gracious! beautiful! dare I say, heroic?) attempt to find a common shared experience in our otherwise separate lives, but hopefully other people got something out of it. I hope to god there’s a lesson there for someone.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by danieltanfh95 »

nickthegreek wrote: post #453
danieltanfh95 wrote: post #154

1. because your belief that AI-generated text is worse than human written text is flat out illogical and wrong. 2. judge content not by its cover and think.

I do not have unlimited time. If enough of this community flags an article as low caliber AI, that is useful to me. The whole idea of a site like this is that the community IS judging the content at some level to up/down vote.

Outsourcing your ability to think to "the community" is pretty much the same as handing it over to AI. AI is trained on the community. Argumentum ad populum.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by danieltanfh95 »

atahanacar wrote: post #464
danieltanfh95 wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you even mean to "not put a cover" on it, everyone communicates differently. Your comment here puts on a "snide, snarky, trying to be smart but failing" cover that I have discarded because your idea may have some merit to be discussed on.

>everyone communicates differently Yes, and those differences have an intrinsic value. As an example, my comment's "cover" communicates my discontent and frustration with "AI tone". As a matter of fact, my "cover" here became the discussion itself. Thus, my comment's "cover" is not actually a cover but a part of the communication. In contrast, the "AI tone" is just a cover to make a writing look superficially more pr…

> my "cover" here became the discussion itself

My "cover" is good because of X, their "cover" is bad because of Y, is not a helpful analogue nor a useful one.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by westurner »

grayclhn wrote: post #476
grayclhn wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just skimmed your resume and, assuming it’s up to date, it looks like you mostly work independently. If that’s the case, I can totally see why my argument doesn’t resonate. “The author doesn’t understand the material” isn’t an ad hominem — most of my work involves working with other people, usually less experienced, to help them deliver reasonably complex econometric or ML models. Sometimes I’m hands on, usually not.…

Too late to edit - should have looked at comment history and not profile I guess, because like an idiot I spent time replying to a clearly ai-written comment… Well GP isn’t going to learn anything from my (gracious! beautiful! dare I say, heroic?) attempt to find a common shared experience in our otherwise separate lives, but hopefully other people got something out of it. I hope to god there’s a lesson there for som…

What?

No, that's not an ai written comment either.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by westurner »

grayclhn wrote: post #417
westurner wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what is there to say Ways to contribute: Peer review, human code review, money for tokens for code and code review, configure SAST and DAST tools to make it DevSecOps instead of DevOpsSec, configure AGENTS.md and an /upgrade-dependencies-and-run-tests skill, Compare "It's inadequate because it's AI" with "it looks like this generation of agents doesn't yet handle this quality aspect with or without explicit prompts…

Just skimmed your resume and, assuming it’s up to date, it looks like you mostly work independently. If that’s the case, I can totally see why my argument doesn’t resonate. “The author doesn’t understand the material” isn’t an ad hominem — most of my work involves working with other people, usually less experienced, to help them deliver reasonably complex econometric or ML models. Sometimes I’m hands on, usually not.…

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