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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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I'm not sure the latter argument summarized "in liberal societies cultural values change, so no information can be preserved" makes sense. We certainly can access certain culturally preserved texts that are thousands of years old with a pretty high fidelity, even when those texts may contain positive depictions of acts that are considered morally abhorrent today (slavery, genocide, murder, rape, etc) or simply physic…

When you are talking about millions of works, you need to approach it statistically. That we have some works preserved does not mean that we are succeeding at preserving works in general. Nor is the fact that we have books preserved by previous generations a guarantee that the same books will be preserved by current and future generations. So one way to think about this is that society has a big junkyard into which i…

You weren't originally making a statistical point, you said:

>Absolutely nothing can last in a liberal society that believes moral progress is possible

Which is clearly not true.

In any case, toward the more general claim that this post is making, which I will summarize as "Authoritarian societies are statistically better at preserving works in general" this is also demonstrably not true in the wide statistical sense. They are just as likely (if not more) to deliberately discard works that disagree with the general ethos of that society. Heresy is not really a big deal in a liberal society, but it will get some books burned and practitioners slaughtered (reducing social transmission of ideas) in a autocratic theocracy, for example.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Go to a big legal firm that's been around for at least a few hundred years. With them, set up a trust with a sufficient endowment to be run indefinitely (barring total societal or economic collapse), with the mission of maintaining this specific website in accessible format (including updates and format shifts as necessary). It will be expensive, but this general structure is already used by various organizations wit…

I doubt any commercial/legal entity will live through the upcoming societal transformations. It is naive to believe our current political and economic systems will not change too much even in the next 20-30 years.

Can you tell us more about what transformations are on the calendar?

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I'm partial to the remix: https://twitter.com/PateraQuetzaI/status/1156300892733243392... Link to a thread of Percy Shelley's "Ozimandias" in the rhythm of Smash Mouth's All Star

from the twitter thread: >can somebody give me some context? I'm lost. is this referencing the bible? or an anime? Not sure if masterful troll or not...

>Not sure if masterful troll or not

Social media in a nutshell.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #409

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I recall some scifi where some Diety/SuperAI left 'commandments' for humanity carved into giant monuments made of diamond. I presume that was considered the only thing that would survive deep time.

Isn't it actually the case that diamond isn't the strongest material? Just scratch-resistant if memory serves. Not that it's weak either, of course, but I'm curious if it's the best choice.

The claim is usually that diamond is the hardest material, which for the most part it is.

Strength is usually defined by the application and usually focuses on tensile / compressive strength. This is also why rebar is used in concrete, concrete has excellent compressive strength, but poor tensile strength.

There's lots of metrics for strength, also resistance to fatigue is often an important metric.

Diamond has excellent hardness, and compressive strength (diamond anvils), it's very poor in most other metrics of strength and evaporates above 450 degrees, so it's not good for anything hot.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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The world wide web is only 28 years old. We've had computers for 76 years at this point. We're discussing this topic in modern English, but if you look back 500 years William Shakespeare wouldn't be born for another couple of generations: vocabulary and grammar have changed a lot since then, and if you look back a further 500 years (to 1021AD) the "English" spoken in those days was a lot closer to Frisian than anythi…

Are you saying it would NOT have been useful to historians/genealogists if people 500 years ago had produced perfectly preserved documentation of all of their writings in their language at that time?

You're also using 500 years of antiquated human communication technology to extrapolate what the next 500 years will be like. Shakespeare wasn't taking selfies, writing blog posts, and responding to commenters in real time back then. English/natural language evolved differently in a world that wasn't connected to the internet. There's no reason for me to believe the last 500 years of communication will be anything like the next 500.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Are they going to have the technology to access the web site? We are about to lose access to many recordings because either we don't have the readers (physical media) or we lost the software to run the codecs and maybe the hardware to run them.

Anyway, make many copies, leave money to run the site, maybe link the availability of the site to the validity of the goods you're passing to your heirs.

And print something, maybe engrave it on stone :-)

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Engrave you website on a rock and establish a religion around it

Build a cube around the rock and instruct people to circle it during pilgrimage to the holy rock, which takes place once a year. Your descendants may fall out over which follows the real instructions and may start their own sects, each with slightly different rules.

Coming to think if it, it would be the ultimate troll if you can pull it off. Imagine a prank that goes on for centuries and gaining so much momentum that people start killing each other over it.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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It always brings me joy to read doomsday prophecies from decades, centuries, and millenia past. They were legion -- so confident, yet so wrong. I hope your predictions bring similar joy to future readers in the decades, centuries, and millenia to come.

The thing is, occasionally those predictions have been right and society reverts to a state less advanced than it was for hundreds or thousands of years. A lot of the technology from Ancient Rome, building techniques, steam engine technology, etc. were lost for thousands of years. It’s totally conceivable to me that 500 years from now scientists have access to a wealth of electronic media, but haven’t invented the co…

They're starting to break the code on it, but there are concrete docks that Rome built 2000 years ago that still exist today - we have trouble building salt resistant concrete docks that last ~100 years.

Apparently it has to do with using a certain type of volcanic ash in the concrete...

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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As we saw with Inspiration 4, SpaceX is willing to take commissions, thus:

This might not be the cheapest way, however, if you can engineer a satellite to last 500 years [1], you could then have SpaceX put it up in orbit for over 500 years[2]. Have this satellite broadcast your website via radio [3]. Then setup a trust with a consortium of lawyers to maintain a ground station network that hosts the website on earth's internet.

This way even if the earth lawyers/society fail you, you are still hosting the website technically, just not on earth's internet.

[1] Does anyone know if this is reasonably possible?

[2] https://space.stackexchange.com/a/5599

[3] https://science.howstuffworks.com/question431.htm

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #378

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> I haven't seen the article, but I don't buy it, there's no likely events that will harm Voyager 1 and 2 in that time period, for instance. Sure, but nothing will encounter or observe them ever again. Things we put into heliocentric orbits are likely to be forever , too. > Along a similar vein many of the satellites that we put in graveyard orbits around earth at the end of their useful life will also plausibly last…

> Sure, but nothing will encounter or observe them ever again. like trees falling silently in desolate forests?

More than that. There are plenty of atoms and photons and other particles observing those trees, much less for Voyagers.
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