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Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

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Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#42
I was going through something similar and took me a while to recognize it was anxiety. It's good that you have recognized it so early.

When nothing seemed to work, I tried Zembrin as an OTC experiment if it was "just chemistry". It really worked for me, takes a few weeks to work, and it wasn't anything obvious - in fact I didn't think it was working until I forgot to take it for a few days and felt anxiety creeping back in. It got me into the right headspace to tackle the overwhelming amount of stuff life was throwing at me without having to take any more serious drugs which I try to avoid. YMMV and I would completely exhaust all non-chemical options before trying it, and if it doesn't work I'd seek professional help (specifically cognitive behavioural therapy - which you can try without professional guidance too but need a deep understanding of to do)

In the meantime, these observations have helped me in the past:

A) Nobody really cares if you fail, those who love you will still love you if you fail. Everyone is more self-absorbed than it feels. People care when you succeed.

B) Some amount of stress is benefical - don't think you have to eliminate it. Think of it like blood pressure - no pressure and no blood moves through your body and stagnates - too much pressure and your veins will burst - just the right amount of stress keeps you strong and moving. Comfort kills - but so does TOO MUCH stress. There's a sweet spot that's just beyond your comfort zone.

C) Keep a TODO list - be it GTD or whatever. Having everything on paper for me is very calming, otherwise if you have more things to do than your working memory can handle (IE 7-10 things), in other words if you have a pulse in 2021, then it will feel overwhelming because it's literally beyond your minds ability to keep track of.

[edit: removed one observation that wasn't related to OPs situation]

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#44
In any case, i'd strongly advise to avoid "therapists";

Instead, go to a properly educated professional with whatever the title is called in your country, like a "Doctor of Psychology" (someone with a professional doctoral degree in clinical psychology / a title with legal protection to be able to use it.)

It often makes a lot of difference in terms of the result.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#46

In any case, i'd strongly advise to avoid "therapists"; Instead, go to a properly educated professional with whatever the title is called in your country, like a "Doctor of Psychology" (someone with a professional doctoral degree in clinical psychology / a title with legal protection to be able to use it.) It often makes a lot of difference in terms of the result.

> a title with legal protection to be able to use it

What country are you in where such a thing is not always required?

I agree though. For every 100 therapists, I would say that maybe 5 know what they are doing, and maybe even up to 15 or 20 are willingly abusive or cause more damage

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#47
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish someone had given me this pièce of advice early in life instead of finding that out at 25. I call it the foot-in-the-door method, it makes wonders.

By many measures, 25 is early in life. Congratulations: you did!

Seriously, even at 30 I feel like I've barely mastered these skills!

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#48
post #38

Did anyone else say drugs? The only thing that’s ever worked for me is working on things I’m truly interested in, crushing anxiety due to a deadline coming up, and drugs. Getting adult adhd diagnosis in my late 30s has been life changing. Make sure your goals are your own and your tasks meet the goals.

Took me years, but I finally started buying stimulants illegally and yeah, they're life changing.

They're not the ultimate solution, only useful when I need to focus on something and just do it™, but it's the perfect tool to train my brain.

I can see now why kids are put on Adderall/etc then they stop taking them in adulthood. It always seemed very strange to me, but yeah, they help create habits that will stick for the rest of your life (starting work, focusing, just doing stuff that needs to be done).

The sooner you build them, the better. 30's is a quite late, but I hope not too late.

Re: Ask HN: How to break anxiety/fear-avoidance cycle?

#49
I just read the question. If you are anxious from your birth or childhood due to parents, or rejection by other children, etc., believe me, no solution exist.

You will be anxious all your life.

Just accept this sad fact and this sad life. You will never be relaxed nore happy.

Why? Because your brain has already developed extremely strong neuronal paths and structures and patterns and overdeveloped organs involved in anxiety that no treatment, nore physical, nore biochemical, nore psychological will be able to change in a positive, pro-relaxation way.

Life is tough and sad for us my friend, and there is no hope for us.

That's why countries should creates juridical ways to judge the parents of the children who were our tortionars, for example. Because they condamned us to a life of anxiety, depression and illnesses.

Sorry.

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