Maybe he can switch to weed? I helped a family member give up dangerous levels of drinking by helping him get a prescription. Then he gave up smoking weed entirely and now only drinks rarely. One successful example...
Ever tried coding on weed? #doesnotwork
Ask HN: Helping a dev who drinks?
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#42Basically, I'm an alcoholic. I'm in my mid 30s. I started drinking when I was told I couldn't smoke pot anymore, and kept at it after a number of friends committed suicide and a few others died of cancer. The thing is, when I am drinking, I can manage the pain of things that will never be okay, even though I must endure them. I don't advocate alcohol, but waking up screaming every morning isn't always an option. And…
I can assure you that when/if you reach it, you won't at all feel that you "survived remembering my dead loved ones for 30 years, and that's good enough". You'll want to keep on living.
You may have kids, young or older - your own, your grandkids, whatever - or other family who do not want to see you gone.
I spent a night in a cardiac ward a few years ago. The other s in there were all 80+. They had great stories - one of them had a heart attack in his boat while reeling in a big fish. I got out the next day but the one thing that stayed with me was that even at 80, every one of those guys still desperately want to stay alive.
Re: Ask HN: Helping a dev who drinks?
#43Basically, I'm an alcoholic. I'm in my mid 30s. I started drinking when I was told I couldn't smoke pot anymore, and kept at it after a number of friends committed suicide and a few others died of cancer. The thing is, when I am drinking, I can manage the pain of things that will never be okay, even though I must endure them. I don't advocate alcohol, but waking up screaming every morning isn't always an option. And…
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#44I think that the details of him brilliantly coding while at the Ballmer peak is kind of irrelevant. It can be a huge liability to have people intoxicated in the work place, and I think it's important for your manager to have an initially undocumented, private chat with him about it. In alcoholism, an important concept is 'enabling', where you are making it easier for the person with alcoholism to continue with their…
^^^^ This is what managers and HR is for. If you're uncomfortable bringing up the issue, explain to HR and have them present it as "we want to help you" and not that "you're in trouble". Depends how good your managers and HR are. It's probably best for everyone that he can move forward with his alcoholism, even for himself.
I'm not throwing my hat on either option, but I am highlighting that this option has consequences you need to be prepared for. (Ok, they both have consequences)
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#45FWIW, someone I know has written the best code I've ever seen while wasted and high on an edible.
Re: Ask HN: Helping a dev who drinks?
#46Basically, I'm an alcoholic. I'm in my mid 30s. I started drinking when I was told I couldn't smoke pot anymore, and kept at it after a number of friends committed suicide and a few others died of cancer. The thing is, when I am drinking, I can manage the pain of things that will never be okay, even though I must endure them. I don't advocate alcohol, but waking up screaming every morning isn't always an option. And…
I'm over 50 now. I can assure you that when/if you reach it, you won't at all feel that you "survived remembering my dead loved ones for 30 years, and that's good enough". You'll want to keep on living. You may have kids, young or older - your own, your grandkids, whatever - or other family who do not want to see you gone. I spent a night in a cardiac ward a few years ago. The other s in there were all 80+. They had…
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#47Find a sober alcoholic. Find a man if you can, but don't be picky about it. It works better - men work with men, women work with women. Ask the sober alcoholic what to do; he will know. http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt7.pdf
Person might not be religious.
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#48Find a sober alcoholic. Find a man if you can, but don't be picky about it. It works better - men work with men, women work with women. Ask the sober alcoholic what to do; he will know. http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_chapt7.pdf
The TV show Bullshit, written and hosted by Penn & Teller, did a show on AA. AA accidentally posted their recidivity rates on the internet and the numbers were shown. They showed that there was zero advantage of going to AA. That doesn't say alcoholics don't feel better when going.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
The TV show Bullshit, written and hosted by Penn & Teller, did a show on AA. AA accidentally posted their recidivity rates on the internet and the numbers were shown. They showed that there was zero advantage of going to AA. That doesn't say alcoholics don't feel better when going.
How do you measure "advantage"? or "recidivism"? If an alcoholic goes to AA and "feels better", don't you think that might have some relationship between various other factors? The metric of either drinking or not drinking == "success" varies quite dramatically between people depending upon their aim.
Edit: It is season 2 episode 10 and I am going to watch it asap.