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Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#391

I'll preface this by saying this is all anecdotal evidence based on my personal observations, so it may not apply to everyone. I often feel the same way, especially with tech. For those of us that remember before the internet was ubiquitous, the optimism and promise of the "information super highway" seems in stark contrast with what we see today. I try to keep in mind a few things: First, we are living in a time tha…

> We're only ~20 years of nearly every person in the planet having access to all human information, instantly. Think of what people will say about this time period in 200 years. We are currently feeling the effects of growing pains.

>how much text we all read daily in the form of news, tweets, and forums, compared to the daily paper. Are we better for it? I think a lot of people don't feel better.

To add another anecdotal experience, much of what the complaint sounds like is the cycles of another generational sect (that I would group at about every 5-10 years) reaching an age where they start to see the world as "everything going to hell in a hand-basket", as my grandfather would say, or during my younger years, a college aged version of that. I image its the different information processing stages in which we go through growing pains and the destabilization of that causes this doom world view. My g'father listened to the radio and read the paper instead of watching one of the 3 news/tv stations because "all of the nonsense these days" (we bonded over baseball which we had watched without sound because the commentators "can't shut up and let us watch the game" [umpiring signals really said all that was needed and baseball seems to want to get rid of umps altogether, I see that as a tragedy but the next generation will probably see it as great progress].

I remember and was myself interested in lowrider culture, ie loud exhaust but also large woofers and amps. A friends dad had converted the entire truck bed with custom speakers, amps as well as including a hydraulics system. I dont see nearly as much of that these days, in the same city, that I did in the late 80's.

As for the OP and the "no body seems to give a shit about anyone except themselves anymore" this is also nothing new. people care about their clan and then care about outsiders when it is neutral or beneficial to do so, but now that the world is 'smaller' and it seems these 'outsiders' are everywhere it seems to make people overwhelmed and dig into their clan for respite (that's what I see anyway). Even my disdain for selfie culture can't be looked at as a new phenomena, I remember disposable cameras and Polaroids and how annoying it was to wait on friends/family taking pictures of themselves instead of enjoying The Experience™.

I just think with the increase volume and speed of stories and random people thoughts — that never would have made it into my sphere in the 80's/90's — and the change that brings, it again appears that the world is "going to hell in a hand-basket"

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#393

>the water is poison Putting aside the tons of pollution in lakes and oceans, what strikes me the most now is the abject failure and neglect in cities like Jackson, Mississippi and Flint, Michigan. How are people so powerless, governments so weakened, and politicians so detestable that something as basic as clean drinking water in cities is no longer functioning?

It's worth noting that, in a country of 330 million people, you only came up with two examples. Those things are newsworthy because they're outliers .

Here are almost 13 million examples for you.

https://www.nrdc.org/resources/lead-pipes-are-widespread-and...

“Lead service lines—the pipes that carry water from the water main under the street to residences—have long been recognized as the primary contributor of lead in drinking water (we’ll call them lead pipes for simplicity’s sake). After conducting a survey of these lead pipes in the United States, NRDC estimates that there is a range of 9.7 million to 12.8 million pipes that are, or may be, lead, spread across all 50 states, including those that claim to have none.”

This affects some 22 million people.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

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30-50 years ago, with a single salary you could support a house with a yard, a non-working spouse, multiple kids, and a car. Our society knew how to make that happen once, and we've forgotten. We've had incredible advances in technology and productivity since then, so why can't we have that kind of economic environment now? What's gumming up the works?

One reason is changing geopolitics. USA is not the sole superpower that it was in the 60s. Other countries are also doing a lot better now. A lot of the jobs in manufacturing have been outsourced to China, in service industry to India. This has led to shift of wealth from US to these countries. The days of American exceptionalism are probably ending. It's only going to get tougher from here.

People in the 60s were afraid of nuclear war with the other superpower, USSR. In the 80s job were outsourced to the Japan superpower. USA has never been alone up there. Maybe in the 90s.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#395

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A European nation casually invading another European nation, something we thought was now unthinkable not too long ago.

Um, Serbia invading Kosovo ring a bell ? Before that you had decades of Cold War fear mongering, preceded by WW2.

Technically Kosovo was part of Serbia back then. And it was a wee worse than „invading“.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#396

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You need to read up on the definition of gaslighting. That is a nasty accusation and inaccurate.

There's no controlling spouse using these tactics to make their partner doubt their own sanity. Okay.

Gaslighting probably isn't an exact answer, but it's dismissive enough to be close. Hand-waving it as "rosy retrospection". Telling OP to measure things they actually do seem to be measuring.

There could be a name for this exact sort of "You're not really paying attention to everything you're obviously really paying attention to" dismissiveness, and if the churn of language lands on "gaslighting, definition c", I don't have much argument against it.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#398

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You’re wrong on pretty much every measure here.

Please keep the low quality comments to Reddit. Thanks.

I think you should consider backing those assertions up a little bit more.

> Politicians appear increasingly corrupt and selfish. Geopolitics are becoming less stable. Innovation is coming to a standstill. The average person just wants a decent job, a nice place to live, and maybe a family. All of these are becoming more and more difficult to achieve. Is it any wonder kids are checking out of life en masse?

1 is definitely not true given patronage doesn't exist like the early 1900s. 2 doesn't seem terribly true given the state of the world for most of the 20th's century, including two world wars followed by the threat of nuclear annihilation - meanwhile, today the "bear" is being beat with donated hand-me-downs. Innovation doesn't seem to be coming to a standstill, we are seeing rapid advancements in ML just this year, not to mention in energy (fusion research, battery research, wind+solar deployments) and biotech (MRNA). Housing is more expensive, yes, but the easy solution remains just having a longer commute like people in the 2000's dealt with. More people got married in 2022 than in "Morning in America" 1984, so there's no real decline in family formation either.

I don't think kids are checking out of life either. I really can't see any statement here that's particularly justified.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#399

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Respect for other people, general social norms, polite behavior, personal dignity, and in general just a respect for one's appearance and a desire to make "civilization" aesthetically appealing. People seem to enjoy living in beautiful buildings with green parks nearby, without pollution or noise, and yet somehow think dressing like a slob or putting zero effort into one's appearance is unimportant. To be honest, if…

I try not to argue with strangers much on the internet, but I really disagree with you on this one. What someone wears is a part of their self-expression. In this post, you use the phrases "respect for one's appearance" and "care about [one's] appearance" to suggest that people have a responsibility to follow certain norms in how they dress in order to make "'civilization' aesthetically appealing," in your words. Aes…

Aesthetics isn't really that subjective - at least not as subjective as modern philosophy likes to claim. This is why it is possible to produce a radio station or build an art museum. You actually can guess what art a large number of people people will like.

Still, people can have disagreements about the exact ranking of whether Monet's water lilies is prettier than the Mona Lisa or vice versa (or take any Jackson Pollack if you want to extend the analogy). We all agree that they are more beautiful than Timmy's finger painting. Even Timmy's parents. The fact that there isn't one strict ranking doesn't mean that there is nothing objective.

The same objective standards, and subjective disagreements, apply to clothing and personal appearance.

You can look really good with disheveled hair and pajama pants, but that mostly comes down to things like having clean, intact clothes, not smelling bad, not displaying offensive imagery, etc. Similarly, you can be repulsively ugly in a designer suit - just rip it in a few places and let the color fade. Your preference for one look or the other doesn't mean that there are no objective standards whatsoever.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is Everything Declining?

#400
post #255

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Yeah and we developed the most efficient graphene nanotube batteries that never degrade!! Sorry, I'm not buying it anymore. More than likely, none of that is going to help me or anyone I know from struggling just a little more each year.

This makes 0 sense to me.

TL;DR

Sure tech progress is cool, but it's hard to care when I feel more isolated from my community than ever, the world feels "angry", and in many important ways my life feels much worse off than just a few years ago.

The meme about "but living standards doubling every X years!" is little comfort when you can't feel any of those impacts - not to mention that the material is scarcely the only thing that matters for human happiness.

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