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Ask HN: Do we need to pay billions in fees to Stripe, Block, PayPal and Visa/MC?

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Re: Ask HN: Do we need to pay billions in fees to Stripe, Block, PayPal and Visa/MC?

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Just imagine how different the Internet would look like today if receiving payments would’ve been as easy as receiving email from the beginning. That it is not trivial for a single person on the Internet to receive payments without a third-party involved, in my mind, leads directly to an Internet that is based on ads and on monopolies: You can’t make a living posting stuff online on your own private website. Because…

> if receiving payments would’ve been as easy as receiving email from the beginning. In Germany, every business (and some individuals) has published their account number for ages (on the letterhead, website, etc.), typically right next to their address and email address (or fax number, for that matter). And with that account number, you can just transfer money to the recipient. It really is as easy as email.

Well, it really doesn’t suit itself for automation, much less for real-time transactions. Say, you want to sell access to an article on your website. It would be cumbersome for the customer to have to switch over to their online banking and typing in all details (ok, today we have QR codes, but you still need to jump through many hoops, much more than with, say, a credit card or PayPal payment). Then it takes time until the money shows up in your account - sometimes several days. And, finally, there was no API access available from the banks for small sellers that would have allowed them to build an integration, even if they had the resources to write custom software.

Re: Ask HN: Do we need to pay billions in fees to Stripe, Block, PayPal and Visa/MC?

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Instant bank payments are already a thing and will be mandatory, across EU, by the end of next year. They will spread into other parts of the world if they don't have them already. So actually the payment cards will be on life support in next couple of years and might even go extinct if banks figure out terminals at the stores to not need cards issued and networks operated by foreign companies.

Re: Ask HN: Do we need to pay billions in fees to Stripe, Block, PayPal and Visa/MC?

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The payment processors are, at the core, specialist insurance businesses. They know how to underwrite transaction risk and counterparty risk and FX risk very well, better than generalist insurers, in part thanks to their scale. So these "billions" are actually a tiny fraction of the volume they process; counterparties are happily sharing a cut in exchange for peace of mind.

Re: Ask HN: Do we need to pay billions in fees to Stripe, Block, PayPal and Visa/MC?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3ds is usually done with inapp confirmation these days. Your bank is responsible for the experience.

If my bank were responsible, they wouldn't be using SMS 2FA.

Well apparently they are. Or at least have choosen vendor who doesn't have better option.

This piece of software is called ACS and is at issuer's discretion.

Re: Ask HN: Do we need to pay billions in fees to Stripe, Block, PayPal and Visa/MC?

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It’s the ultimate two sided marketplace and super hard to bootstrap. But if you find a way to debit peoples bank account with 0 fees and 0 default risk and The problem is: Getting merchants and customers on board. I’m personally super interested in this topic. If anyone what’s to chat about this: mail@konstantinschubert.com

+ 1 for sure.

My personal interest is more aligned with crypto (back in 2008) where I would like to see a transation layer which is independent... feel free to use banks or not, invest or not, but the way you move moeny about is shared and not owned by anyone.

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