I am part of a group of CEOs that meet with a coach to work through company issues, and one of the things they continually drill into us is that employees need to buy into the mission of the company in order to be most effective. The reason they are most effective is that they are happy when working on something that means something to them. So I think it's good advice the other way as well. Find a company with a mis…
Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their work after burnout?
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#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
When it comes to health and well being f*ck what's appropriate do whatever you can get away with ... just do not put life or well being of other people in harm ways
Live it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU0pZarehLY
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This is great advice and unless it's a startup or your own company there little need to kill yourself working for someone else. Having your own life outside of work and sticking with it can help the burnout and dive into new skills that might lead to a new career. Never give up your creative hobbies. Cheers
"there little need to kill yourself working for someone else." There is also little need and sense in killing yourself, if you work for yourself.
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#364Don't apologize at all... that's what this website is for... free expression.
I'm on the autistic spectrum too, by the way, I just had a fistful of THC pills.
And just so we're clear... how do you define "work"? That's a loaded word.
I was nearly recruited into the CIA around the same time as Joshua Shulte and I'm approximately the same age as him. Here's a publicly available article about him:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/13/the-surreal-ca...
I've been burnt out since I had to make a joke about this not being high school at a yet another K Street cocktail event back around 2016.
Imagine someone being purposefully wrong in the same sing song tone bullies used to say "You can't be aggressive in school." and how their faces go white and their hands shake when you just smirk and go "we're not at school" and eye the letter opener you put on your desk after Charlie Hebdo -- it's like there's this set of people who repeat the same rhetoric as the 70s/80s/90s, with the difference being there is no draft, no great war, no big evil forcing anyone to make... so many choices people made between when I got my first job as a sandwich artist until today.
I haven't really finangled ending the burnout, found happiness, nor held a full time w2 role for a full year since the Obama administration... but I do have a weed card and a bunch of cash in my credit union's checking account after selling out of my IRA for a third time, because some folks in the autism community are less helpful about connecting you with full time roles if you prefer... adults.
Like for example, I did one interview with the Texas Department of Public Safety, who acknowledged they'd have hired me but had to hire someone else due to... veteran's preference?
Maybe I should have explicitly said I'd prefer to work someplace in private industry, for more money? I was raised Catholic, and Iraq was a war crime, so I'm limited in my options.
It was pretty frustrating being told that there are people who will misunderstand on purpose to the point you should alter your creative pursuits, and on a long enough timeline that starts to appear purposeful, especially paired with not connecting you with more practical roles.
I probably shouldn't be so sarcastic, but I'm unemployed and it's the weekend, so I don't really have much incentive to self censor in my replies to questions posted on the internet, especially when yet again my phone or whatever is acting up during spooky season -- the last time I felt this uncertain (and this annoyed that I shouldn't), I was telling people at a dinner that I don't want to help kill brown people with robots... but I'm hoping for a bit of a restart.
Anyways, I'd try to go for a hike or something if it's warm enough OP -- maybe go get yourself a cute little cortado and have a sit someplace you wouldn't normally go? It's the weekend... try not to think about "work". I've seen soooo many places during covid have one employee be rude to me as another sits in the corner doing nothing... and then the store closes (along with the whole company sometimes).
You might be getting overly anxious... try to chill out.
(And sorry if this comes off rude, I wrote it on the spot while cleaning out my little black book.)
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#365I wrote a blogpost about just the subject, because everyone kept asking me "How did you recover from burnout?". Feel free to check it out: https://tomdeneire.medium.com/10-tips-for-tackling-mental-he...
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#366Yes, I have. I quit my job and worked on my own project for a while. You have to be doing something you are interested in, and have full control over, so you can rediscover what programming used to be like for you. Take things slowly, and your capacity for work and motivation will increase over time. In the beginning you will still have days where you can’t bring yourself to work, but just allow yourself those days,…
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#367It is an ongoing thing, but I found friends with the same values and we are trying to change the environment that cause the burnouts. At the same time I have to convince myself that coding and managing is not the actual root cause of the burnout.
Having friends who share the same sentiments helps. But the most important thing was to identify what exactly is the root cause and bash it.
Talking about it to your manager will help alot if your manager cares. In my case, my manager talked and get the head of department hire a veteran that becomes my mentor and take over some of my workload.
Hiring properly actually helps! It lets good people in. Once onboarded, they alleviate your burdens so you could think of strategies that to change the environment so it's better for everybody. This changed my mind about hiring people, since I previously had a bad experience with hiring when my company was in a hypergrowth phase.
In my case the cause was the classic pm-does-not-know-technical-stuffs-yet-plan-everything-ahead-behind-closed-door-and-say-the-final-decision. Fixed deadline, immature product desig that doesnt account for technical limitations. So often either we had to: 1.) Propose a fix now and add more to our plate so we crunch, or 2.) Not propose a fix and risk ourselves getting woken up in the future.
We kind of had to learn a bit of PM-ing so we "understand their language" and have the ability to persuade them into understanding what happens on the other side and making changes that beneficial for the whole team.
Things are changing slowly. Processes changes within the orgs for the better. Some external influences still could reverse the progress. But a celebration for small steps is in order! Party with the people you care and cares about you.
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You can say the same thing about health. A year of less stress at age 30 is more valuable than when you are 60.
Is it? I'm more capable of physically managing stress at 30. At 60 it could kill me.
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If you're a software engineer that has been working for 7+ years and don't have enough savings to survive 6 months off work or are so behind on retirement savings that this would seriously impact your future I think you should work seriously on getting your finances in order.
It's less that and more that you're not maximizing retirement savings at that point, which is something that stresses a lot of folks out. Also, even within software, I can't imagine trying to find a job with a 6-month gap on my resume. I'm not in the bay area, and even working remotely, competition is brutal. A gap on your resume is a great reason to get immediately rejected by wherever you're applying to. Not all of…