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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

dotdi wrote: post #243

This happened to me and a co-worker too, and I could resolve it with a `sudo killall firefox` and re-starting it. In contrast to all the heat from many of the comments here, I'll say this: shit happens to any company. My trust in Mozilla is not (yet) shaken just because a bug made it into production, even if that bug made it there due to bad decisions or even (hopefully temporary) lack of vision. I, for one, am not c…

Check the FireFox usage stats. They tell a pretty good story. Every couple of months there will be some major issue and then FF loses a bunch of users. And they don't come back.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by LtdJorge »

johnnywasagood wrote: post #324
CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Automatic updates are a good default, you can always disable them if you don't want them.

Good default is to ask users about their preferences explicitly and not to hide that kind of settings anywhere.

Most users are computer illiterate, so they would choose to not auto-update to skip the hassle, and then never manually update anyways.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by mardifoufs »

duncanc4 wrote: post #178
Grollicus wrote: post #74

It seems another workaround is disabling the collection of usage data: https://twitter.com/vanilla_chief/status/1481546294489489409 €: It seems telemetry does no longer triggers the bug as they've changed something on the server side? So this probably won't help anymore.

This worked. Funny that this bug will cause people to turn off the opt-out data collection. No one is going to turn it back on after the issue is fixed.

They will turn it back on for you. I could swear I've had it turned off a few times already before, and I'm definitely sure I did it at least once yet here we are :).

Telemetry in itself isn't the end of the world, but disregarding the settings your users chose is such a weird behavior coming from an organization that pretends to care about choice.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

kchoudhu wrote: post #317
teen wrote: post #123

I love Firefox. It's depressing to see the hate they're getting in the comments.

Just goes to show how quickly you can deplete literally two decades of goodwill.

They've been depleting that for years. This sort of attitude change doesn't happen over night, it is an accumulation.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by aembleton »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #200

Firefox has been pretty unstable for me too recently, just now I had to kill several "GeckoMain" processes that kept churning even after I closed the browser. There also seems to be a memory-/performance leak that leads to the browser getting slower and slower the longer it is open, so once per day I have to close and re-open it, which fixes the issue. I really try hard to like Firefox but it keeps falling behind. Fo…

> just now I had to kill several "GeckoMain" processes that kept churning even after I closed the browser

Thanks, I wondered what was causing that.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by mardifoufs »

jacquesm wrote: post #76
mellavora wrote: post #65

What's driving me crazy about Firefox is that every time they release a new version, whatever version I am running on my machine stops working-- it refuses to load any new page or to refresh any existing page. So I have to open Safari and download and install the latest release. Which means I can never count on Firefox working. Frustrating. osx, if that helps anyone suggest a fix.

I'm a very long time die-hard Firefox user, the only reason I even have Chrome on my system is because I built an application that requires WebMIDI, which Firefox still refuses to support. But I'm starting to believe that the browser wars have been conclusively lost and it's time to throw in the towel. Losing a whole morning on this trick is really pissing me off, I'm in the middle of a bunch of stuff and if not for…

Yep, I can't use Firefox for an exam I have today. It's just not worth the risk. It was already not working great on Firefox to begin with.

Can you imagine if this situation happened to someone in the middle of the exam? I'd never blame the browser for a loss of connection before a good few minutes of trying everything else.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by pedro2 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #340
rossmohax wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't test automation and demise of manual QA are just consequences of large increase in the test surface? Many more features, greater hardware variance, changes to underneth tech stacks, etc all lead to a combinatorial explosion of what to be tested and manual QA wont be able to cover any significant portion of it, unless James Webb like money are spent on QA.

I think it's a lack of ownership and craftsmanship . You need that grumpy old master in charge smacking the apprentices on the back of the head when they don't live up to his standards. I'm very lucky to have grown up and gotten most of my work experience in that kind of environment. I was expected to aim for perfection, and punished without fail if I didn't achieve it. No half-measures. Do it right, or don't do it a…

You want to keep your job => make boss happy, reach KPI.

I don't blame them (the employee).

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

mardifoufs wrote: post #366
jacquesm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a very long time die-hard Firefox user, the only reason I even have Chrome on my system is because I built an application that requires WebMIDI, which Firefox still refuses to support. But I'm starting to believe that the browser wars have been conclusively lost and it's time to throw in the towel. Losing a whole morning on this trick is really pissing me off, I'm in the middle of a bunch of stuff and if not for…

Yep, I can't use Firefox for an exam I have today. It's just not worth the risk. It was already not working great on Firefox to begin with. Can you imagine if this situation happened to someone in the middle of the exam? I'd never blame the browser for a loss of connection before a good few minutes of trying everything else.

Ugh. Much good luck with your exam though!

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by josteink »

Vinnl wrote: post #183

Updates on the bug: > We have other services with the same type of load balancer in front of it and we currently suspect it is an HTTP/3 load balancing problem. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c17 > Our current suspicion is that Google Cloud Load Balancer (or a similar CloudFlare service) that fronts one of our own servers got an update that triggers an existing HTTP3 bug. Telemetry was first imp…

So for Firefox to even start, Mozilla implicitly depends on Google now. Wow.

Couldn’t they have used any other cloud provider? I mean, cmon!

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

LtdJorge wrote: post #362
johnnywasagood wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good default is to ask users about their preferences explicitly and not to hide that kind of settings anywhere.

Most users are computer illiterate, so they would choose to not auto-update to skip the hassle, and then never manually update anyways.

Every FireFox install comes with auto-update enabled.
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