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Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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Post by danparsonson »

mmooss wrote: post #270
zer8k wrote: post #138

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People are gonna stay upset for quite a while. The billion dollar election manipulation campaign spanning Reddit/Tiktok/Youtube/Television was extremely effective. It convinced a very, very specific kind of person that the by-the-numbers worst candidate in modern history was going to win in an absolute landslide. It will be years before these people realize how much the media was controlled from 2020-2024 specificall…

I think you need to make the argument about Nazis on its merits. Trump's people do much that fits the definition of fascism, many try to normalize or advocate for fascism, dictatorship, and even normalize Hitler. His most prominent member of government did a proto-Nazi salute (and don't say he's too dumb to know what it would look like). And that paragraph would not be objectionable to many people in that political g…

"History doesn't repeat but it sure does rhyme a lot"

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Post by dutchbookmaker »

mattlutze wrote: post #86

Go low-tech and start printing a small local newspaper. Pay for it with ads from local businesses, and give it away for free at all those stores. Get your regional Chamber of Commerce to help set you up with connections and sales channels.

Every even mid sized US city use to have a Village Voice knock off free paper but even the Village Voice went under almost 8 years ago.

I use to love these artsy free papers but even my elderly parents don't read the local newspaper anymore that grew up reading the paper.

The local paper is a very small niche item at this point.

The only way I can think to do this is to hang old school flyers in an area of the city/town that attracts the people you want in your community.

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Post by Zak »

misiek08 wrote: post #307
dawnerd wrote: post #302

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I managed to get people over to Telegram. Signal was a no go. It’s still a bit inconvenient. Mobile only unless you link a desktop is a non starter for me period. Majority of people don’t care about e2ee. They want an easy to use app that syncs everything and doesn’t require reading a manual.

Sad you got downvoted. Signal UX is 100x worse than Telegram and I probably can calculate it to prove this exact number. I’m dreaming about Telegram client and Signal-like openness.

I have used both Signal and Telegram for years and I'm not seeing much UX difference. What's better for you on Telegram?

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Post by willywanker »

jasode wrote: post #95

>move our local communities off Facebook and onto our own platform. Is there a off-the-shelf solution To get better answers, you need to flesh out all the features of Facebook that your communities are using. E.g. Shared event calendars? Groups? Private Messaging? Video hosting for users to upload vids of community events? Live feeds? Etc. Look at the left side of navigation topics to help you enumerate and think abo…

Mastodon is a Twitter clone, nowhere comparable to Facebook. An endless microblogging format may not be ideal for a local community, as compared to a regular forum (which is just one of the many features Facebook offers).

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Post by PaulHoule »

spencerflem wrote: post #283
PaulHoule wrote: post #274

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I'd say categorically that fascism is not a helpful term to describe movements outside the 1900-1945 period in Europe. (e.g. Japan's movement was anti-colonial if anything, Tokugawa Japan would have been happy to be left alone to gaze its navel, if that wasn't possible it wanted the asia-pacific region as a buffer zone) Today it is "Keir Starmer is a fascist" (Sci-fi writer Charlie Stross), "the local people departme…

Elon Musk did a Nazi salute, live on stage, twice

They told General McArthur when he was getting a tickertape parade to never hold his hand higher than heart level otherwise people would accuse him of making a Nazi salute.

As for Musk, I think he's mentally ill, I think he may have what I've got.

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Post by mmooss »

latexr wrote: post #286
mmooss wrote: post #278

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> you only have one shot That is not true at all. Trying, failing, and trying again are part of any change or innovation. In fact, it's close to the truth that nobody succeeds the first time.

When you’re trying to move a significant mass of people from something that works to another platform for ideological reasons, you’ll be met with resistance. Every time you fail you’ll be met with more until you can move no one. “Innovation” doesn’t matter at all here, that’s not in question in the slightest, you’re conflating concepts. I’m giving specific advice, not making a general statement.

> When you’re trying to move a significant mass of people from something that works to another platform for ideological reasons, you’ll be met with resistance. Every time you fail you’ll be met with more until you can move no one.

That's not actually how it works. People try time and again, sometimes over decades or centuries, before achieving change - or achieving anything at all.

One thing you do by trying and failing repeatedly is that you normalize your presence and legitimize your cause, and demonstrate that you won't be dismissed or deterred. People begin to take you more seriously.

Of course they will laugh at you and ridicule you at first. That just means you have left the starting gate.

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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Post by rgbrgb »

bdangubic wrote: post #112
rgbrgb wrote: post #56

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That shows quarterly revenue not user activity in the US? In my orbit there is nearly 0 Facebook usage outside of a few boomers but instagram seems very popular.

"In my orbit" there 100% of the people play racquetball which means there are roughly 350 million players in the USA - hence it is the most popular sport on the planet and owner of my local team is richer than all NFL owners combined /s :) Also see https://www.statista.com/statistics/408971/number-of-us-face... just for kicks :)

ok well at least that's the number that was being discussed.

maybe i sound like i'm wearing a tin hat but i don't totally trust their active user numbers or believe that facebook is growing active users in the US. like am i in there bc i have a facebook acct from years ago to run ads and accidentally clicked a fb link once last year? what if i viewed a facebook ad. at some point somebody is deciding what counts as active and i'd bet a dollar that person is incentivized for numbers to be big and monotonic.

in my experience it's good to poke at numbers that don't match your intuition. that's how you get to reality.

i know your example was farcical, but if you know a lot of people and 100% of them play racquetball, you should seriously question someone who is telling you that football is actually the most popular sport, especially if they have economic incentives for you thinking that's the truth. it's just math.

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Post by throwway120385 »

archagon wrote: post #267
bko wrote: post #189

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> techno fascism I keep hearing this. What does this mean? My guess would be "a system in which big technology firms can effectively censor speech with coordination from the state". But I think those that use it mean something else.

Big tech leadership cheerily cozying up to an authoritarian president, felon, and rapist who started an insurrection and literally tried to overthrow the last election. Musk — one of the most powerful people in Washington — doing things like throwing a sieg heil salute, supporting the AfD, claiming that "Hitler was a communist,"[1] and calling for the execution of a government witness[2]. Thiel proclaiming to "no lon…

A lot of really smart people in the 1930's were also really into eugenics and forced sterilization and so on. Hitler had a lot of support, even in the US, for what he was doing openly. Being smart doesn't prevent you from being an asshole. Only being empathetic does, and you don't have to be smart to be empathetic.
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