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Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#31

I mean the UX is not having dementia and that's entirely another matter. I hate the idea that if you're old you can't use computers like a normal person.

I've assisted my grandparents with the same UIs many times, it's just harder to learn things the older you are.

For example, there was a service my gradmother used pretty frequently, which required a password change once every 6 months. She memorized the regular login flow, but she always called us for help when the flow broke and asked her to invent a new password, provide the old password, and confirm with an SMS code.

None of it is inherintly complex or difficult, but when you're at that age, and not super tech-savvy to begin with, computers are super confusing.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#32

1. bind user to email 2. allow login via magic link via email, after login the jwt/cookie/whatever should have no expiration date 3. (optional) allow one user to have multiple emails + merging accounts/users (call it backup email to collecr multiple user emails in advance, soft nudging only, not mandatory to use the product!) 4. (optional) offer any other way to login (un+pwd), google oAuth… It‘s THAT easy.

Email link and 2FA won't work because old people struggle with switching apps.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#33
I wonder about a scheme using public key encryption where a scannable code is displayed on the log-in screen, where one has an app on a phone that can match it and send an authorization to the site for login.

Moves the complexity to unlocking a phone and starting an app.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#34
I wonder about a scheme using public key encryption where a scannable code (public key of the pair) is displayed on the log-in screen, where one has an app on a phone that can match it and send an authorization to the site for login.

Moves the complexity to unlocking a phone and starting an app.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#35
post #29

I am really interested in the concept of elder/senior citizen technology. The basic design concept for them is answering "what am I looking at?" I created this tool ( https://anftr.com/ ) for some of my ex-colleagues in their early 50s who were trying to navigate the world of office software. They were struggling with Microsoft Word and Excel, and I have seen them yell at ChatGPT and bash their mouses constantly, hop…

54yo here. We (GenX) grew up with computers. It’s the Boomers and Silent Generation that have trouble.

I am also 54 years old, and I've grown up with every single user interface conceivable in a computer or device.

However, though that gives me an advantage in knowledge of how the systems work, I don't think I'm very good at navigating modern user interfaces.

My hypothesis goes like this: the people who are writing graphical user interfaces today are video gamers. They were playing twitch games and first person shooters until they got hired to program a user interface. The people who write them, and the people who use them, think nothing of split second reaction times and hand-eye coordination in order to navigate a user interface.

This is a very very bad approach. You should not need reaction times to navigate a user interface of an app that is used for business or what have you. The web is full of dynamic flows and ever-changing presentation. This is very detrimental to our mental health.

I believe that it's the inconsistent presentation of the interface and the ever-changing buttons and the ever updating methods of interacting that are so detrimental. It can really hurt someone who is on the edge of dementia or mental issues. Even the sanest people must have trouble navigating these things.

Every office program and every social media app has settings and configuration more complex than flying a 747. We should not need a pilot certification just to get through these settings. The settings multiply quite deliberately, so that they confuse and beguile the user and get us to give up! If the settings panel presents 1000 settings then we are far more likely to just leave them alone then try and manage them all. Especially when they are ephemeral and basically change themselves upon every update!

The problem is not with elderly people or with their mental status. It is with the very poor presentation and the video games that now rule our everyday life. Even a point of sale or a public computer kiosk is presenting these issues. There is something very wrong with that.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#36
post #5

I quite like the new trend where you can login just by entering the 2fa on SMS or email. Skip the whole username/password.

If you log in only by the code or magic link, it's not 2FA because there's only one factor

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#38
post #5

I quite like the new trend where you can login just by entering the 2fa on SMS or email. Skip the whole username/password.

Passkeys are even better since you don't have to pull out your phone or switch to email to grab a code. It just logs you in. Also for old people, its impossible to fall for a phishing page using Passkeys. Unlike auth codes where you can type the code in to a fake login page.

I'm a fan of passkeys because I don't have to store sensitive info. It's just a public key and I don't need identifiable info from the user. That's a super nice option for some niche low stakes software.

Unfortunately that breaks down when someone doesn't set multiple keys as backup and gets locked out. Then you're right back to password/backup code or some kind of recovery to email or phone. Chances are people just store their backup codes as plain text too. They also break down across desktop/mobile, e.g. register on desktop then try to log in on mobile. Not everyone has a good sync solution here, especially the non technical.

Honestly all the solutions have trade offs in UX/security/privacy and dependency on third party services. The best solution is going to be highly dependent on the business.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#39
My Dad could never build the metal model to understand that common concepts like copy/paste would work almost identically across different native Windows applications; "How do I copy/paste in an email?", "How do I copy/paste in a Word document?", "How do I open a file in Excel?", "How do I open a file in Word?".

The lightbulb just never went on in his head. And this was in the 90s and early 2000s when developers at least used MFC - probably the period of peak UX design.

Things have now gotten so much worse since then. Now, I struggle to remember how to add an attachment in MS Teams, which I use every day.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#40

I am really interested in the concept of elder/senior citizen technology. The basic design concept for them is answering "what am I looking at?" I created this tool ( https://anftr.com/ ) for some of my ex-colleagues in their early 50s who were trying to navigate the world of office software. They were struggling with Microsoft Word and Excel, and I have seen them yell at ChatGPT and bash their mouses constantly, hop…

> It might be borderline exploitative, but I have noticed that elderly individuals want a "solution" rather than a lesson.

Or they may have just aged out of fucks[1]

[1] - https://www.blog.lifebranches.com/p/aging-out-of-fucks-the-n...

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