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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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It helped a lot to learn as much as I could about the way planes "operate". I have a physics background, but rather that dealing with fluid mechanics, lift, etc, what really helped me was understanding the day-to-day operations of planes and pilots - what all of the lights and sounds mean, why certain small parts of the plane are designed the way they are, etc. The YouTube channel "Captain Joe" helped me a lot with this. It really shows you how much thought, planning, and effort goes into making sure your flight is safe and smooth.

My advice is learn and think about this on the ground, when you're not getting ready to take a flight, or at the airport, or on a plane - that way you're not having a psychological response and can think more rationally about these things. There's nothing worse than having a panic attack on a plane and having your companion urge you to think about probabilities :p

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Same thing. I flew around the world dozens of times and my fear developed gradually over time. In the same way yours did, by experiencing some scary incidents. I don't have a cure for myself so I obviously don't have one for you, but here are some ideas: 1. Look at how many flights work out well https://flightaware.com/live/ there's something like a million people in the air at any given time. It's extremely unlikely…

That's fairly interesting that the fear developed over time. The conventional wisdom is that repeated exposure makes things familiar and in turn would lessen any fear you would have of the thing. I wonder if "developed fear" would be worth studying.

As I mentioned in another comment, I find the lack of personal space to be the biggest anxiety provoking element of flying, which raises my baseline anxiety enough that I can become extremely anxious once you add the relatively small amount anxiety I experience from just flying. Under different circumstances, my anxiety is far lower and I don't cross the threshold into "anxious", for example, when I'm in business or first class, or I otherwise have plenty of room to myself.

I wonder how widespread an increase in flight anxiety is as airlines add seats to planes and increasingly fly planes at max capacity.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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My problem with airplanes is claustrophobia. After years of fairly-regular flying the claustrophobia suddenly grew intense --- and it has stayed at that level --- after being jammed into a non-reclining back-row middle seat on a flight from Istanbul. Fortunately, I discovered the person seated next to me just happened to be a therapist. She kindly volunteered to get me through the flight by talking to me and distracting me from my surroundings. (What a sweetheart she was!)

Of course, I can't travel with my own therapist so now I take a half gram of Lorazepam at the start of each flight, a drug that magically removes my fears. I also always get an aisle seat.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I don’t remember the official name for it, but one common technique to overcome all sorts of fears is to progressively visualize the experience. For your flying example, that might mean to sit and think about just packing for a trip. How does that make you feel? Then think about driving to the airport. How does that feel? Then think about boarding the airplane. Then think about flying calmly. Finally, think about rea…

Yes totally this! It's called exposure therapy and apparently has good therapeutic outcomes for specific phobias.

Great comment!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I used to get moderately anxious when experiencing turbulence while flying.

I tried a several different strategies that I researched, but I completely eliminated my anxiety by imagining that I was riding in a big Greyhound bus and we kept running over some really big pot holes in the road.

It seems silly to me, but it works great for me. I feel totally calm even during pretty heavy turbulence.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I had a fear of flying, which I overcame completely by accident: I started playing a realistic flight sim for a while. Because it was realistic, I had to learn the basics of how to actually fly a plane. It taught me two things: what some of the noises, the vibrations, and the movements were; and how hard it is to actually crash a plane. Once you made it in the air, you'll want to try crashing your plane in the game (…

what was the name of the simulator?

I'm not the person you're replying to, but I've had loads of fun with FlightGear. Its free & open source. The selection of aircraft and some of the graphics are not as nice as the alternatives, but I've heard the realism is hard to beat.

http://home.flightgear.org/

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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as a kid i was scared shitless of flying. the idea of being blasted across the country in a pressurized metal tube was overwhelming to me. when my family was planning a trip to orlando for disney world, i contemplated staying behind with family so i didn't have to get on that plane. in the end i went, and overcame my fear of flying. now, i prefer air travel to just about anything else.

part of what helped me is my mother's job working as the business manager for a local hangar and airplane mechanic. hanging around the hangar i saw how many hours went in to maintaining even the smallest two-seat planes. i heard about how many hours pilots logged before they could even look at a small regional jet. the mechanics, pilots, and engineers working on those commercial planes are all the best of the best.

turbulence: when a plane is between 20-40k feet, what feels like a catastrophic drop is, subjectively, not a big deal. sure it's scary and the plane bounces around but the plane will not go down in turbulence. it may drop 10, 20, 50 feet. but you still have 19950 to go before problems arise.

finally, don't psych yourself up reading the manuals about what to do if things go wrong. don't even listen to the presentation. put some headphones on and look out the window at all the people working hard to make sure you and yours arrive at your destination safe and sound.

hope this helped even a little bit. flying is stressful even when you're not scared, but it allows for so much freedom.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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What helped me was:

1) Consider the micromorts of the things you do in your everyday life. Chances are, many of them are higher than flying.

2) Look up flight accidents for recent years. Large airplanes almost never fall out of the sky. If they crash, it’s usually on the ground and survivable. Smaller aircraft are far more dangerous, but you can avoid them. Terror is somewhat localized geographically. You should also look up how many flights there are every day. It’s way more than I expected!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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There was a time when I was developing a mild fear of flying. Never enough to stop me from getting on a plane, but I was really uncomfortable on those planes if there was turbulence.

Now, I still don't like turbulence, but my fear has mostly gone away. The reasons are 1) having been through enough insane definitely-gonna-die-now turbulence and not died to build my faith in the technology, and 2) knowledge about the statistics and rarity of airplane crashes. All I can suggest is hammering those two into your brain and letting your rationality take over.

Now if only I could figure out a solution to my fear of heights, which I'm currently convinced is pretty rational... (edit: fear of edges/cliffs would be more accurate I suppose since the height of flying doesn't bother me...)

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