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Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#271

It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…

If you don't know who Dick Proenneke is, look him up....wonderful daydream fuel.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#272

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Maybe trying to centrally plan the money supply is the same losing game as centrally planning your steel production? You kinda never win unless you stop playing.

So you're suggesting we go back to each private bank issuing their own bank notes?

Yes, if the people want to use their notes. We also suggest getting rid of kings and communist party for decentralized democracies.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

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I don’t think that’s the point. Copper and most other commodities are productive under Buffet’s definition because you put them into pipes and other things. They are manufacturing inputs. Their price is set by the demand for the things that you make with them. Housing demand goes up => copper price goes up. Gold is used in manufacturing but not as much as it could be, because the price is set much higher by speculati…

So I suppose when Buffett purchased 130 million ounces of silver in 1998 he was thinking about the manufacturing inputs? I do think there is in fact a "productive use" for cyptocurrency, which is transacting on the dark web. It has been earnestly used as a currency in that context for a very long time... it's just that bitcoin boosters would rather not talk about it.

Not sure why believing that silver is an unproductive asset would have precluded Buffet from believing that "someone else — who also knows that these assets will be forever unproductive — will pay more for them in the future." Like, yes, he phrased that in a deprecating way, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't shrug and play along.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#274

It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…

There are also those of us who played with Bitcoin when it emerged, found it promising and mined it or bought some. Who took some profits along the way and never promoted it. Who still think it's a useful concept, _despite_ the hype that gets too much at times.

For what it's worth, you seem consumed by your envy. Accept that crypto investors, even the most stupid ones, took a risk you didn't take and were rewarded handsomely.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#275

It's less that I'm glad the market is crashing, and more that I'm glad that the insufferable crypto bros are finally getting a punch to the mouth. Seriously, these people are the worst. Your average "crypto investor" has no skills, no mathematical foundations, nothing. Except for pure stupid luck, and the ability to spew inane crypto babble 24/7. And yes, they think they are much smarter than you, because they achiev…

Living North will not allow you to ignore society more easily. Quite the contrary. I know, I've lived it.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#276
Bitcoin allowed me to quickly send money to a war zone (Ukraine) without dependency on a banking system. Wiring money overseas is a slow and precarious experience even in the best circumstances, and I was stoked to bypass all of that. That's innovation.

Then there's a surreal amount of noise. The hundreds of altcoins, the blockchain buzzword, insane speculation, insane energy use and carbon emissions, drama about losing funds.

So yes, I'd like to cut down the noise so we can focus on the innovations.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#277
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Ah the classic coiner refrain. Thanks bud. We do. We really, really do. We've spent many years learning exactly what those things are thanks to all this insufferable nonsense. I know more about crypto than practically 90% of the crypto community. I know all the personalities, the history, the fraud, the crime, the grift. I've read countless whitepapers. I've learned about 'traditional' finance. All because of the bri…

The best scientific explanation for why Musk is rich is our social system requires we implicitly believe and repeat that idea due to political training which is hand me down gossip from parents. He’s even said he’s propped up by others. You are being annoyed with people when they’re not reciting the right semantics? Some form of just stick to the script? The entire internet is full of insufferable bullshit brigading…

> You are being annoyed with people when they’re not reciting the right semantics? Some form of just stick to the script?

Not at all, I'm sick and tired of being told to "do my own research" in response to thoughtful and measured criticism by people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#278
Oh what a perfect post in which to see all the absurdly emotional, dismissive, ridiculous crypto hate that this site's commentators just can't seem to stop grasping at rise to the surface.... A supposed "hacker" community filled with people who will reach for any convoluted reason they can to utterly sling shit at a whole complex range of technologies that despite its many bad uses has also proven to be a very interesting, impressively developed ecosystem that has also been used by many people in unique ways, often under adverse conditions that the privileged majority of HN readers never have to deal with.

But hey, let's just blanket claim that it's all a ponzi scheme (despite the definition of ponzi schemes being very clear and very different from the essentials of Bitcoin or Ethereum or many other cryptocurrencies). Or lets go on and on ad nauseum about the carbon burn of BTC and PoW mining (despite many of you working in tech fields where insane amounts of electrical energy and carbon are burned just maintaining billions of people's generally utterly pointless social media posts or cat videos).

Or how about endlessly sniping about fraud and money laundering on these systems, never mind that the wider financial world is filled with fraud on a far larger scale and that even social networks along with many other digital technologies are enormously used for exactly the same thing. Worth noting here again that there are actually many, many people in the world, people who aren't so nicely blessed by sound government landscapes, trustworthy or functional financial institutions and easy access to bank accounts who already do use crypto in many non-criminal ways (at least morally non-criminal). Anecdote, yes, but I personally know many who do this, and especially among people who I know in developing countries. I've read more than enough to know that the use is much wider than commonly reported. Even Chainalysis has estimated that only a small fraction of all crypto transactions are due to crime and fraud, and their very business is tracking the fraudulent use of crypto.

And finally, that it's useless because blockchains can be replaced by so many other things, or because DeFi sucks, or because transaction fees, or because "12 years later and there's barely a use case" and etc and etc... Since when does a technology have to be immediately useful and incredible to be interesting? Some of the sniping against blockchain's usefulness reminds me of the mentality behind those who criticized the Dropbox founder's original 2011 post on HN. Furthermore, have so many of you who make the argument about crypto going nowhere been completely blind to the amount of business exploration and experimentation that the wider ecosystem creates literally by the day? Sure, much of these experiments will fail, collapse or include plenty of fraud. So too have many other interesting and now robust technologies over the decades. Frankly, it's a shame to the very most basic idea of the word "hacker" that these negative arguments should be used to totally condemn something like considering how interestingly it's being explored in the wider world.

I could go on but what's the point? So much of the sniping here deviates so completely from legitimate, reasoned criticisms into irrationally, repetitively emotional hate that it's often like arguing at a brick wall.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#279

I have been sitting on cash since end of last year, I am finally seeing opportunities to buy at reasonable price: stocks and crypto. Stocks, cryptos, houses: people kept buying no matter the price, even though, it was so obvious that those prices were not sustainable. And we are finally seeing a proper correction. I think, houses are next in line.

I gave up on that game, too much stress and I had a couple close calls trying to time the market. I moved all my money back into index funds at the beginning of the pandemic and now I don't even look. I just keep dumping money in and hope that when I'm ready to retire there's enough.

I don't agree about houses, either. It seems unsustainable, yes, but I'm having trouble finding the broken fundamentals. It seems like the only 'fix' for prices is building more housing, and that isn't a correction.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else glad the crypto market is crashing?

#280

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that would be fine logic if we had unlimited clean energy unfortunately as its supply is limited... it being consumed for useless work means it can't be used for useful work, and as a result dirty energy is being generated for that instead

You have it all backwards. The PoW is useful work because it helps secure my hard-earned savings against very high inflation my country is dealing with (I store my savings in Bitcoin). While many other (non-PoW) energy uses you have in mind are useless for me.

there's plenty of other assets that can be used as an inflation hedge (e.g. precious metals, inflation linked bonds, etc)

none of which require burning hundreds of barrels of oil a day calculating quadrillions of sha1 hashes to keep their value from collapsing

and if you don't want to physically hold them then there's ETFs for that

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