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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Flown all my life. Parent was a pilot. A plane has never crashed from turbulence, look up the stats.

I've been in a Cesna and it's dropped 100+ meters only to catch the wind again and we kept flying no issue. Inside the cabin was a different story (like after a frat party).

Your fear of flying isn't a fear of flying, it's a fear of not having control, about putting your life in the hands of other people. As Paul said, Fear is the Mind Killer.

But seriously, you have little-to-no chance of dying in a plane crash. If you flew every day of your life, you'll be in 3 or 4 emergencies though.

Of course I check the airline, the plane details, and when it was put into rotation (hopefully at least 1 or 2 legs before my scheduled flight) before I buy a ticket :-)

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Lots of great advice in this thread. But as someone with a moderate fear of flying who travels occasionally for work, one analogy has helped me reason through my fear. At speed, an airplane is dealing with air as if it were a boat in water. The air you're flying through is as thick and powerful at speed, and turbulence is nothing more than ripples in the water. The air is literally capable of lifting the gigantic vehicle that you're in. It's way harder for the plane to resist the thick-air than it is to keep on flying. Keeping this in mind has helped me worry far less about periodic disturbances.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I faced a big fear of flying, and I believe I have overcome it recently. See, going to therapists and other stupid courses is a waste of money. I was claustrophobic and I challenged myself to overcome my fear of flying and using lifts. My first travel was to Malaysia just after the Malaysian airline went missing, lol. First of all, I was afraid of flying and my company was sending me to Malaysia for some business purpose. I was shit scared and I somehow did it with full fear in my mind.

What did I do next? I got to know that this is going to kill my career and will not help me grow. So, I asked myself what I should do. Went to therapists and all but nothing worked out. All they do is to help you reimagine the situation and give you some tablets for temporary relief. It doesn't help.

So what you should do? Start small, I started taking small flights like 30 mins flights then 45 mins flights and then took a long flight of 3 hours. You might ask me how it helped? Taking small flights will help you realize what are the threats and what your mind is thinking while flying. See, it is natural, many flyers in an airplane will be scared and that is true but that doesn't mean there is a harm and something is going to happen.

Some pointers that might help you,

> All you should be doing is developing an excitement pleasure instead of fearful thoughts. > Think about the pilots and air hostesses, they might have flown like thousands of times. > Pilots are so well trained and he/she is not any regular truck driver or a bus driver. They are good at what they do and they will have a good track record. > Think about the celebrities, I believe most of the times they will be in the air. > I think about all the good things I am going to see after reaching my destination. > Talk to yourself, the positive affirmations. Like 'I know I am scared but I am going to do it' > Learn how an airplane flies, there are many videos on YouTube and what get familiar with things like turbulence. Turbulence is just a slight in-comfort you experience while flying but is nothing to be worried about. > Get a friend along on your next flight, you will feel good. > Don't think much, just let it be. One or the other day you have to do it. > Listen to music and motivational talks on your phone, if that helps you. > Next time when you take a flight, talk to the flight air hostess or pilot. Talk about your fear of the flying, they will help you out.

That is it. Take small steps and that should help you. We are all going to die one day, why think so much? Just do it. Lol, you should also see the live plane status of how many are flying above currently, you will be amazed.

Hope this helps:)

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A passive receiver with absolutely zero emission would allow to listen to pilots communications from the seat and would be easy to build. Listening to the tower once in air unfortunately would not be possible (as with any radio operated in seat) - an external antenna would be necessary for that. The problem with any custom built receiver is however its appearance: a strange electronic device which would probably rais…

> Nobody should object if you listen to an old FM pocket radio with headphones from your seat. I believe the existing rules would forbid even the use of an FM radio onboard.

That would make sense since a traditional FM radio local oscillator does indeed emit radio frequency, but the level would be really low to be able to jam any of the airplane devices.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#255
Ride with someone more scared.

In the 1980s I was on a regional flight that had to come back around and land after a cracked engine manifold caused a small fire that burned a grapefruit-sized hole in the cowling. It was a wide circle and a smooth landing, but I didn't care for it. After that, I really didn't want to get on anything smaller than a 737.

Some time later I found myself on another puddle jumper. The fellow across the aisle was another nervous flier, it seemed. He was deeply unhappy to realize that the woman collecting tickets at the steps was the co-pilot, so that there was an all-female cockpit. That and the mild turbulence kept him unhappy for the duration of the flight. My amusement killed my nervousness, which has not returned.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#256

Sadly, very recently a friend of mine's therapist suggested he overcome his fear of flying and having less control. Granted it is a small plane, but it crashed. Of my friends, 1 is paralysed and the other is dead. The pilot is dead too. I've always wanted to take some aerial photos, but now I'm having second thoughts about being in a small plane. I have no reservations about getting on a jumbo jet though.

Oh no, so sorry!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#257

Fear of flying is actually fear of not being in control. You need to work on figuring that out - why does the lack of control freak you out? Why can't you just "go with it"? It also helps to learn some of the basics of modern aviation.

Hence "Fear of Flying" by Erica Jong. Does more information really make it less scary, I feel it might help you find your way but not because you know more.

It helped me, ymmv.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I had a fear of flying, which I overcame completely by accident: I started playing a realistic flight sim for a while. Because it was realistic, I had to learn the basics of how to actually fly a plane. It taught me two things: what some of the noises, the vibrations, and the movements were; and how hard it is to actually crash a plane. Once you made it in the air, you'll want to try crashing your plane in the game (…

We're building a VR simulation of flying specifically for the purpose of overcoming fear of flying. It uses some of the same principles you mention: -Repeated exposure to a realistic flying experience (in our case, it goes gradually since it's designed for people with a fear) -Specifically learning about some of the different noises planes make -Getting exposure to the vibrations, noises, turbulence, etc that you'll…

please make it in VR I will buy it for my mother I promise

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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United used to have a feature called "From the Flight Deck" where you could listen to live radio communications between your pilots and air traffic control. Unfortunately, it's now only available on a few routes and planes: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/... I found it very comforting to listen to it during an entire flight, because you could find out what the pilots of your flight were a…

Hm, now I'm pretty sad that their site only works with Flash.. Can't even install that on Chrome anymore.

It doesn't require Flash. Every stream has a link like

https://www.liveatc.net/play/kfwa1_zau.pls

which in turn links to a resource like

http://d.liveatc.net/kfwa1_zau

which you can play in lots of tools (two examples are mpg123 and mplayer).

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

#260
Just one more reassuring comment. I met an aerocraft engineer. He ONLY worked on the one part of deploying The face mask that is, the act of deploying a latch thing. And said this one part goes through something like a million cycles of deployment.

And to certify an aircraft they hire pilots to take off and land for two or three years continuously. As well he said it is manually impossible to crash an airplane. Bad things can happen but you would need many in a row for anything to happen. All in all, lots of people work really hard to keep us safe.

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