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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by vageli »

count wrote: post #174
rsynnott wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, I'm aware of reserved instances (from an AWS PoV) but I always assumed they were, at least theoretically, well, reserved!

In the AWS context, they are, in fact. That's the original point of them - so during big AZ failures your reserved instances had first dibs on the available capacity. The billing thing became more of the point as big AZ failures are so rare.

Non-zonal instance reservations do not reserve capacity. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-capa...

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by salawat »

snotrockets wrote: post #98
xwowsersx wrote: post #10

Oof, that sucks and I feel for you. That said... > setting up in a new region would be complicated for us. Sounds to me like you've got a few weeks to get this working. Deprioritize all other work, get everyone working on this little DevOps/Infra project. You should've been multi-region from the outset, if not multi-cloud. When using the public cloud, we do tend to take it all for granted and don't even think about t…

“Being multicloud from the outset” is a very silly idea for most use cases. The way to get more from most cloud is by becoming a partner, not just a customer. And the way to do that is increase dependency and usage.

t. Sales department of Cloud provider

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by rikthevik »

ghayes wrote: post #186
astrostl wrote: post #175

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"Multi-cloud from the outset" is probably the single-worst generic cloud advice that I think anyone could be given. In professional cloud consulting the rule of thumb is to do one cloud with excellence until you even think about another one. And even that is really just kicking the conversational can, as both becoming excellent and actually needing multi-cloud combined is one-in-a-billion.

Completely agree, though certain aspects, such as running on k8s or Docker might make it easier to switch if you ever decide to, versus say, being tightly coupled with many bespoke cloud products.

My philosophy is to make switching to a new cloud possible. It doesn't have to be easy. We just shouldn't nail our feet to the floor.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by [deleted] »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #227
Twirrim wrote: post #211

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It's worth pointing out that every cloud is the same when it comes to capacity / capacity risk. They all apply a lot of time and effort to figuring out the optimal amount of capacity to order based on track record of both customer demand and supply chain satisfaction. Too much capacity is money spent getting no return, up front capex, ongoing opex, physical space in facilities etc. On cloud scales (averaged out over…

It may be a risk borne by every cloud provider, but why does this only really happen to Microsoft among large providers? As far as chip shortages, it probably helps that Amazon makes its own chips. Microsoft could do the same rather than running out of capacity and blaming chip shortages. Microsoft had to know that at some point they were going to run out of capacity. They should've either did something about it or l…

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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by purebscloudoff »

The Batch Service schedule history monitor sucks. It is inaccurate and doesn't sync the job order correctly. You can call them, they will get on the phone and then say they fixed it. Then you call them again because they didn't and they give you the same answer. Can't blame them, most of them are on H1B's. Nobody wants to be the squeaky wheel in that position. So you will just get the runaround all the time.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by macrolime »

cosmic_quanta wrote: post #125
bushbaba wrote: post #92

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Say you want 100 GPUs all inter connected to your multi petabyte data lake that’s being fed by your production workload. Sure you could buy all that equipment but I’d wager it’s cheaper, more agile, and greater velocity from it being in the cloud

I would argue that the cost profile is different. Local GPUs are a big up-front cost. But assuming that your workload is stable, in the long run I think local GPUs ends up being cheaper per-hour than cloud. For startups, it doesn't make sense to make the up-front purchase, fine. But if you're optimizing for long-term (amortized) costs, I'd be curious if cloud is cost-effective.

The long run being three months

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by champtar »

quesera wrote: post #218
panarky wrote: post #199

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> dismiss the virtue signaling of high resilient ... So you're saying it's impossible to improve reliability from 97% to 99% because you can never make it to 100%.

If your single-AZ, single-region cloud is not giving you 3 or 4 9's of reliability out of the box, you are using the wrong cloud. Multi-AZ and multi-region add complexity and cost much more quickly than they add reliability. Sometimes it is worth it. Sometimes it is not.

Depends on your needs, but having your data & database multi-az to ensure durability can avoid you having to restart from backups. I'm thinking about an old AWS incident were they actually lost EBS data: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/amazon-aws-... Also make sure your backups are in a different AZ (thinking about OVH ...) or region or even at a different provider.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by more_corn »

Twirrim wrote: post #211
l-p wrote: post #131

> We never thought our startup would be threatened by the unreliability of a company like Microsoft You're new to Azure I guess. I'm glad the outage I had yesterday was only the third major one this year, though the one in august made me lose days of traffic, months of back and forth with their support, and a good chunk of my sanity and patience in face of blatant documented lies and general incompetence. One consume…

It's worth pointing out that every cloud is the same when it comes to capacity / capacity risk. They all apply a lot of time and effort to figuring out the optimal amount of capacity to order based on track record of both customer demand and supply chain satisfaction. Too much capacity is money spent getting no return, up front capex, ongoing opex, physical space in facilities etc. On cloud scales (averaged out over…

All cloud providers are NOT equal here. Amazon over-provisions and sells the excess capacity as spot instances.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by salawat »

andrewstuart wrote: post #79
selckin wrote: post #60

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no, they have very low quotas by default, and you have to request increases through the portal, which then get rejected and you click the button to contact support/email and then you sometimes have to negotiate with them you have to do this for every single instance type they have, can't even experiment or test other instance types cause its too much trouble to get quota

In the future it will be possible to use computers to figure out what’s available and automatically give it to customers. 21st century man…. it’s coming.

But who will determine when more computers are needed to figure out what's available to give to more customers because there's been a spike in demand?

Computers don't fix everything. They just allow you to f*ck up bigger, harder, and faster, usually in the most banal way imaginable.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by foobiekr »

scarface74 wrote: post #99
pclmulqdq wrote: post #80

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Time to sign up for AWS or GCP, then. If you're using kubernetes anyway, you'll be fine with the switch.

Says someone who has never done a large migration of any type…

You should be good to go except for debugging accounts billing monitoring habits documentation security evaluation …
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