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We've gone through the 'cheap Asian knockoff' cycles many times before. I can remember when it was Japanese stuff that was supposedly 'cheap and shoddy' but we all went out later and bought Mazda and Toyota cars and Canon cameras. Then it was the Taiwanese stuff and today the whole world can't do without Taiwanese computer chips. Then it was the Chinese stuff, and the same cycle. But the scene is changing. In the sam…
The original cycle started with Germany: "Where does the rubbish in every country come from? Germany!" https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/brands-geographical...
Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
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Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's ironic to me, given how clearly Putin's worldview presumes that power is all matters, how quick Russia has been to cry foul over sanctions. Unfortunately this is exactly how the world works. Decades of unipolar world order may have led to the wrong impression though I really liked the recent Noam Chomsky's interview on the subject of geting along. It's called How To Prevent World War III https://www.currentaff…
Noam Chomsky has had a remarkable career, but he's really old and was never anywhere within shouting distance of the political center. Neither is Current Affairs, for what it's worth. His argument seems to be that Putin's belligerence is effectively an act of God, and that our only choice from now until eternity is to submit to it. Dr. Chomsky's childhood was apparently so long ago, he's forgotten that appeasing a bu…
>Despite what Russian state TV is telling you
I am trying to read as many different sources as I can. I think the only thing that every party could agree on is that ukrainians are fighting harder than expected. Nearly every other event and opinion is controversial and you have to check many sources first to get a vague idea of what's going on. The fog of war is real, despite what Twitter's collective opinion is telling you
>Your dictator deliberately creates refugee crises around "enemy" countries with the aim of exploiting their compassion and generosity to cause political unrest
Right, our dictator bombed Libya back to the stone age and killed Gaddafi who kept economic migrants from countries devastated by our colonial past and present at bay. Oh, wait, I am not from France!
>The country has been hollowed out economically by seemingly endless and endemic corruption
>Case in point, here's a list of Russian oligarchs who have conveniently decided to commit suicide after killing their families
Even the thought that another great purge has begun fills my heart with warmth and childlike joy
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
I simply said that we can talk about Russians' hurt feelings when Ukrainians aren't being killed by Russians. Quote where I said Russians should be killed? No one's killing Russian civilians. I never said anyone should. Russian media and leaders have said Ukraine should be wiped off the map. Mariupol is no longer a city. Tens of thousands of civilians murdered. Women raped. But people are being mean to Russians? You'…
This is the statement of mine that you find so objectionable: > I think that’s what a silent majority of reasonable people might think, but there is still a ton of indiscriminate anti-Russian bigotry going around. And for further context, what is the stance that I think "a silent of majority of reasonable people" might think? > The whole world does not hate Russians. On the contrary, I've seen a lot of empathy for Ru…
Here in Canada Ukrainians have been attacked by Russian supporters; a Ukrainian priest and his family's home was set on fire. There's pro-Putin demonstrations in Germany.
There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad yet you are taking up that cause like it's more important than the genocide against Ukrainians itself.
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Noam Chomsky has had a remarkable career, but he's really old and was never anywhere within shouting distance of the political center. Neither is Current Affairs, for what it's worth. His argument seems to be that Putin's belligerence is effectively an act of God, and that our only choice from now until eternity is to submit to it. Dr. Chomsky's childhood was apparently so long ago, he's forgotten that appeasing a bu…
I am not sure there is such a thing as "respect" at the very high level. The public opinion is easily swayed and important actions are dictated by pragmatism >Despite what Russian state TV is telling you I am trying to read as many different sources as I can. I think the only thing that every party could agree on is that ukrainians are fighting harder than expected. Nearly every other event and opinion is controversi…
This seems like a convenient way of just hand-waving away the entire concept of morality. Maybe this is how Russians view the world, but it's not how anyone else does. They say this is part of the problem with Putin: he just can't conceive of a world where every entity isn't a CIA or FSB puppet. It also illustrates why the civilized world feels like it can't in good conscience keep trading with a nation that acts like this.
It's not like this whole thing materialized out of thin air. Ukraine has been trying to free itself from Russia's grasp for decades. Everything that's happened there has Putin's fingerprints all over it: puppet leaders who promise one thing and then betray their people to Russia; the jailing of former leaders on garbage corruption charges; the red-handed vote rigging; the not-very-well-concealed assassinations. This isn't the norm anywhere else in the developed world.
Another hallmark of Putinist rhetoric is whataboutism. I mean, when everything you do is so cynical and violent, I guess it's the only real defense you have. Debating what actually happened in Libya is an enormous distraction—which may be the entire point—but the US had nothing to do with that uprising until Gaddafi sent a column of tanks after a bunch of poorly-armed rebels and the world reacted in horror. Was it a mistake to intervene? Maybe. But that's nowhere comparable to straight-up invading a peaceful country (twice!).
It's funny to hear anyone in Russia hand-wringing about the well-being of "economic migrants." Russia is one of the most ethnically segregated countries in the world and has done absolutely nothing for refugees anywhere except create more of them. It's widely believed that Putin's intervention in Syria was designed to displace as many civilians into Europe as possible, with the goal of causing a populist backlash. It may be downright evil, but he's gotten away with it for years.
In terms of which sources to trust, the Russian government has done nothing but lie to everybody for the last 20 years. US intelligence accurately predicted the invasion even when it seemed to take most Russian soldiers by surprise. There's all kinds of primary-source war footage, if you can stomach it. And Putin's objectives keep drastically changing, which sure makes any claims that he's succeeding seem suspect. As does the really harsh media crackdown and the threats to jail people for years just for saying the word "war." You don't have to aggressively "sway" public opinion like that when the truth is on your side.
> Even the thought that another great purge has begun fills my heart with warmth and childlike joy
I really hope you're kidding. Those things never stop where they're intended to, and it's certainly not your interests they're being carried out in.
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#235I am in Russia right now. Since 18 April it is possible to buy USD, although current rate is slightly higher 77 (Google) vs 86 (that is from an actual local exchange office, not a bank, you can walk in and buy). Since the whole world seems to hate Russians right now, I guess no point buying USD and traveling somewhere. I keep hearing stories how "in just a few months" everything is going to collapse and people will b…
Not true at all, friend. I really hope this will be over soon, and that we can all travel freely and visit each other again in the not-too-far future.
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
> However, seeing rabid mccartism and imposing collective guilt only makes me feel under siege. Seeing as that is the whole point of the sanctions, I'd say it's working. The point is to piss off regular Russians enough that at some point they might decide to overthrow their dictator.
It seems very unlikely at this point Putin will be overthrown. Sanctions will need to do to Russia’s economy what Russia is doing to Ukraine’s cities, reducing them to rubble. You have to salt their economic earth to prevent this from occurring again after Putin dies, is couped, etc (allow for an authoritarian who will likely fill the power vacuum, without any military power).
> Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in Kyiv visit: "We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine"
> Russia “has already lost a lot of military capability, and a lot of its troops quite frankly,” Austin said. “We want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that capability.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/u-s-aims-...
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
I simply said that we can talk about Russians' hurt feelings when Ukrainians aren't being killed by Russians. Quote where I said Russians should be killed? No one's killing Russian civilians. I never said anyone should. Russian media and leaders have said Ukraine should be wiped off the map. Mariupol is no longer a city. Tens of thousands of civilians murdered. Women raped. But people are being mean to Russians? You'…
This is the statement of mine that you find so objectionable: > I think that’s what a silent majority of reasonable people might think, but there is still a ton of indiscriminate anti-Russian bigotry going around. And for further context, what is the stance that I think "a silent of majority of reasonable people" might think? > The whole world does not hate Russians. On the contrary, I've seen a lot of empathy for Ru…
You're pushing buttons here, and trying to bait this person into joining a downward spiral with you. Please stop, and find something better and healthier to do with your time.
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the statement of mine that you find so objectionable: > I think that’s what a silent majority of reasonable people might think, but there is still a ton of indiscriminate anti-Russian bigotry going around. And for further context, what is the stance that I think "a silent of majority of reasonable people" might think? > The whole world does not hate Russians. On the contrary, I've seen a lot of empathy for Ru…
Again, show a quote where I "defend" bigotry? I did no such thing, rather said that preventing people dying is more important than hurt feelings. Which it is. Here in Canada Ukrainians have been attacked by Russian supporters; a Ukrainian priest and his family's home was set on fire. There's pro-Putin demonstrations in Germany. There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad yet you are tak…
This is simply untrue:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandaliz...
https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-chur...
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists...
Perhaps you are going to respond that none of this is equivalent to the atrocities committed by the Russian military. And you’d be right, in exactly the same sense that the indiscriminate internment of Japanese-Americans and Japanese-Canadians was not equivalent to the atrocities carried out by the Japanese military. My point here is that one still does not justify the other.
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
And what would you suggest we do? Murder every Russian man and rape every Russian woman as collective retribution? Besides, how many Ukrainians were in the Red Army that invaded Finland in 1939? And what was the nationality of the man who ordered that invasion? By your logic, Russians, Ukrainians, and Georgians are all your enemies, so why take a side when they are fighting between themselves? My moral stance here is…
> And what would you suggest we do? Stop calling justified hate "bigotry". That's all. That's what I was accused of.
Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not sure there is such a thing as "respect" at the very high level. The public opinion is easily swayed and important actions are dictated by pragmatism >Despite what Russian state TV is telling you I am trying to read as many different sources as I can. I think the only thing that every party could agree on is that ukrainians are fighting harder than expected. Nearly every other event and opinion is controversi…
> I am not sure there is such a thing as "respect" at the very high level. The public opinion is easily swayed and important actions are dictated by pragmatism This seems like a convenient way of just hand-waving away the entire concept of morality. Maybe this is how Russians view the world, but it's not how anyone else does. They say this is part of the problem with Putin: he just can't conceive of a world where eve…
Whataboutism is about dropping the subject in favor of an unrelated topic, which is different from calling out double standards. I have a convenient example of the latter - the events that are unfolding right now on Solomon islands. Would you think threatening a sovereign nation for entering a military alliance while talking about Ukraine's freedom of association is hypocrisy? Please note that this not an attempt to justify the war, just questioning moral integrity
>the not-very-well-concealed assassinations
Wholly agree here, their incompetence is staggering
>Russia is one of the most ethnically segregated countries
What are you talking about? I lived most of my life in Russia and this is a ridiculous statement. Have you been to Moscow?
>You don't have to aggressively "sway" public opinion like that when the truth is on your side.
I am sorry to say that, but if you find your media tells truth and only truth that you can't question, it's time to get suspicious. I am saying that as someone who watched freedom of press deteriorating over the last 20 years
>I really hope you're kidding
I am. That was a phrase from a meme and I couldn't resist using it, sorry :)