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Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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When I was a moderator for tagfam.org, I was privy to internal research that the founder had done. About 20 percent of members were active on a regular basis and about 10 percent more were occasionally active. The rest lurked and just read. People can readily navigate a community of about 150 members. On two different forums, once current membership got past about 750 people, things started splintering off into new g…

Nice to see Dunbar's Number validated with real world data.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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Fleeting idea that could be combined with that: a web-of-trust social network where you can only "friend" people in real life, by tapping phones. When you do so, the app might say, "The person you just met claims to be Joe Schmoe, do you want to vouch for them?" If you approve them, they can message you and vice versa. A friend of Joe's can see you in his friend list, and try to message you, and you can accept it if…

You seem to be under the impression that real life access is the indicator of closeness of relationship. It is usually not. Out of my set of close friends the vast majority I have never met in person. Most family I might add are in entirely separate states. Most of my IRL friends no longer live near me.

> You seem to be under the impression that real life access is the indicator of closeness of relationship.

No, just the hardest part to fake. You can copy my photo, hack my email, mimic my prose style, and steal my credit card, but you can't get the people in my school's PTA to say, "Yeah that's him" in real life.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be under the impression that real life access is the indicator of closeness of relationship. It is usually not. Out of my set of close friends the vast majority I have never met in person. Most family I might add are in entirely separate states. Most of my IRL friends no longer live near me.

> You seem to be under the impression that real life access is the indicator of closeness of relationship. No, just the hardest part to fake. You can copy my photo, hack my email, mimic my prose style, and steal my credit card, but you can't get the people in my school's PTA to say, "Yeah that's him" in real life.

This resonated with me. Well said.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around here, I'm pretty unwelcome at things like tech meetups. I stopped going, after experiencing the "circle of avoidance" thing, a few times. New York ageism is even worse than Silicon Valley. No one wants to know me, and I'm OK with that, as I get a lot done, anyway, and the people that matter to me (all over the world) are part of my circle.

I can relate to this. Most people don't like me. The problem is they don't like me for the things I love about myself. Minimizing social friction produces lubricant, not "quality" humans.

What is a quality that turns people off to you but you don't think is worth changing?

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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You're kinda reinventing the wheel here. Federated communities have let you do this for years, but it hasn't resulted in a direct upgrade over Twitter. They're just two different social graphs, with two different goals.

VC: “I know there are similar companies out there doing the same as Dropbox, why should I invest in just another similar company?” Drew: “Yes. There are similar companies out there doing the same as Dropbox. But do you actually use any of them?” VC: “No.” Drew: “Why?” VC: “Because they are bad.” Same here. There are existing solutions, but none of them is good enough.

The existing solutions are fine, though. The reason we got into this mess in the first place was because we thought a centralized service would enable greater interaction than RSS provided. All we got was a lame 140 characters and an edit button a decade later. Then some asshole bought it and kicked everyone back to square one. The solution isn't 'building another monolith with better moderation', it's upsetting the unified architecture in the first place. Twitter's centralization was a design concession that is past it's time.

It's a shame people keep using that Dropbox example too. I've seen hundreds of people use iCloud and Google Drive over the years, but maybe 2 people total who used Dropbox. Is it more popular outside the States or something? I get that it's a mantra HN entrepreneurs repeat to themselves when they see their startup struggling, but I don't understand it's context in this conversation when they had their lunch eaten by every other company competing with them.

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This is it. I think HN has the perfect amount of users, we don't need this to turn into Reddit. I learn more here than with any other website, but it needs to stay relatively small. If tomorrow HN had to appeal to everyone we'd have click bait all over the place, along with ads.

Yeah, but we could really use some low-effort "that moment when you realize" memes around here! Would also be cool if HN threw in some random live streams on the homepage and let me buy badges for posts I like! Dang is also too benevolent; we need some overzealous mods on a power trip to really spice things up! /jk

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#228

Fleeting idea that could be combined with that: a web-of-trust social network where you can only "friend" people in real life, by tapping phones. When you do so, the app might say, "The person you just met claims to be Joe Schmoe, do you want to vouch for them?" If you approve them, they can message you and vice versa. A friend of Joe's can see you in his friend list, and try to message you, and you can accept it if…

I've always liked this idea! I think it should be device-level too, and not have a separate ephemeral identity. In other words if you get a new phone you have to start over.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

#229
I think the only way a federated social network could possibly take off in the current environment (one in which launching new Internet protocols is really, really hard) is by piggybacking on the most-successful one that already exists.

Yes, that's right. Its transport protocol has to be email. Maybe with a side of RSS.

Re: Ask HN: How might HN build a social network together?

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I think what would really be great is a social media site that doesn't offer direct image or video hosting. A bit like how reddit used to be. You just have link aggregation, voting, and comments. That's it. Maybe in a nice, clean, minimal UI as well. This would lend itself to tech folk I think. If only it existed.

Great idea. To add: I think the site would also need a rock star moderator who diligently checks every comment and keeps the site clean. Also maybe it would be great to have a voting system where one could downvote as well! But only after a certain number of upvotes I think.

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