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Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by Havoc »

bagels wrote: post #138
Innominate wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as this happens, I don't feel it's something to be expected or even okay. The major cloud services are expensive. This extra cost is supposed to provide for cloud services' high level of flexibility. Running out of capacity should be a rare event and treated as a high priority problem to be fixed asap. Without the ability to rapidly and arbitrarily scale, they're just overpriced server farms.

Some problems can't be fixed (eg. chip supply chain problems) even if you have more money.

>Some problems can't be fixed (eg. chip supply chain problems) even if you have more money.

They can't magic chips into existence, but leaving a major region like Germany high & dry for almost half a year sounds like planning went wrong frankly. If it were a matter of chips I would have thought on a 3+ month timescale they can steal a few from another region that has a bit of fat

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by Insanity »

l-p wrote: post #131

> We never thought our startup would be threatened by the unreliability of a company like Microsoft You're new to Azure I guess. I'm glad the outage I had yesterday was only the third major one this year, though the one in august made me lose days of traffic, months of back and forth with their support, and a good chunk of my sanity and patience in face of blatant documented lies and general incompetence. One consume…

The common argument of "our own hardware would be more profitable in X years" is typically countered with "but you need to pay engineers to maintain it, which adds to the cost".

Another advantage of not having to own the hardware is that it's easier to scale, and get started with new types of services. (i.e, datawarehouse solutions, serverless compute, new DB types,..).

I'm not trying to advocate for or against cloud solutions here, but just pointing out that the decision making has more factors apart from "hardware cost".

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by arcturus17 »

xwowsersx wrote: post #21
xwowsersx wrote: post #10

Oof, that sucks and I feel for you. That said... > setting up in a new region would be complicated for us. Sounds to me like you've got a few weeks to get this working. Deprioritize all other work, get everyone working on this little DevOps/Infra project. You should've been multi-region from the outset, if not multi-cloud. When using the public cloud, we do tend to take it all for granted and don't even think about t…

I'll reply to my own comment in response to a since-deleted reply that went something to the effect of "this is terrible advice for a young startup trying to get to product market for": I'm totally on board with the idea of being scrappy and taking shortcuts in order to get to PMF as soon as possible. However, it seems the proof is in the pudding here. If you can't service customers due to lack of compute resources,…

Also, n8n arguably has product-market fit so the advice was impertinent to start with…

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by rch »

xwowsersx wrote: post #10

Oof, that sucks and I feel for you. That said... > setting up in a new region would be complicated for us. Sounds to me like you've got a few weeks to get this working. Deprioritize all other work, get everyone working on this little DevOps/Infra project. You should've been multi-region from the outset, if not multi-cloud. When using the public cloud, we do tend to take it all for granted and don't even think about t…

Thanks largely to k8s, running on multiple cloud providers and your own hardware is a lot more convenient than it was a few years ago. Component interfaces and protocols are a lot more consistent across platforms as well.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by theteapot »

xwowsersx wrote: post #10

Oof, that sucks and I feel for you. That said... > setting up in a new region would be complicated for us. Sounds to me like you've got a few weeks to get this working. Deprioritize all other work, get everyone working on this little DevOps/Infra project. You should've been multi-region from the outset, if not multi-cloud. When using the public cloud, we do tend to take it all for granted and don't even think about t…

> everyone working on this little DevOps/Infra project.

Everyone? That's not going to help.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by mikerg87 »

jakear wrote: post #49

People saying "shame on you for not being multi-region" are missing the point: This is a German company with German customers subject to German data residency laws. For them to store German data in a region besides Germany requires getting informed consent from the "data subject", who must be "pre-informed about the potential risks involved in cross-border data transfer". [1] This is why Azure has a dedicated German…

Also note that the German Azure is in transition - I am not 100% sure the new version of Azure unique to Germany is set up just yet - held by a specific data trustee is ready...

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/azure/ge...

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by nr2x »

masom wrote: post #148
cheese123 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR might be a problem here. But this brings us to an important point: this is not your infrastructure, but someone elses.

GDPR isn't really related to the infrastructure, and isn't a problem if you built your product knowing you'll need to conform. Shopify is GDPR compliant, for all merchants, and runs on Google Cloud in multiple regions.

Privacy shield very much matters where your servers are. EU cracking down hard on extra territorial transfers in the past year with more to come.

Also, lots of companies assert GDPR compliance via magical thinking. They most often are wholly wrong. Shopify can say whatever they want, but there’s no certification body.

Source: I’m the person who evaluates and builds compliance systems for a range of services you almost definitely use.

Re: Ask HN: Azure has run out of compute – anyone else affected?

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Post by nr2x »

pm90 wrote: post #168
masom wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR isn't really related to the infrastructure, and isn't a problem if you built your product knowing you'll need to conform. Shopify is GDPR compliant, for all merchants, and runs on Google Cloud in multiple regions.

Genuine question: is knowledge on how to do this well known? Without that accessibility, I'm picturing folks operating in EU being unwilling to take the risk of not being compliant and just hosting everything in a single region.

They’re wrong.
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