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Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by daniel-cussen »

nmc wrote: post #20
throwaway420 wrote: post #2

If you're very early in your career, you probably haven't learned that most companies are very disloyal even to people that show them extreme loyalty. You owe an employer nothing other than giving 100% of your effort for your time there. Unless there is something about this current job that you really, really love, it would be (IMO) pretty foolish to turn down double the salary. I would at least interview with them a…

> "it would be (IMO) pretty foolish to turn down double the salary" Why is that? Is life always better with more money? If the OP is happy with the amount of money he is already making, why should he look for ever-higher salaries?

Doesn't sound like he's looking, sounds like the better-paying job found him/her.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by chrisBob »

You should also consider the stability of the job. Double the money this year isn't worth much if they go out of business, and you have to spend another year looking for a job. I would personally stick with a more stable job for less money every time, but you should decide which you value more.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by Bahamut »

Oculus wrote: post #8
pedalpete wrote: post #5

The recruiter is right, it can't hurt to interview. Find out more about the company, find out if you think it would be a good fit for what you're looking for. If they offer you the job, you've got three options. 1) take it and leave your current employer 2) keep your current job and pretend you never interviewed 3) (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (yo…

I agree with everything you said except for the third option: > tell your current employer about the offer you've been made ... and see if they counter offer. That seems like it would come off as worse than taking the new job. If I was OP's current company I'd see that as 'not only did you shop around first couple weeks here, but you're now rubbing it in our faces and expecting us to reward you.'

I disagree - it gives your current employer the chance to retain you, assuming that you are on great terms with that employer and you really like the job.

It's just business. Everyone knows that the quality employees almost always already have jobs - chances are good that your company also will poach candidates similarly.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by caw »

neumann wrote: post #19
bsder wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (you may not be allowed to give details, but you can give enough) and see if they counter offer. Don't ever do this. Leave or don't. If I'm your manager, the moment you expect me to counteroffer I'm planning on getting rid of you. No offense, but you just told me, "Hey, I'm shopping around." No offense, but that mean…

May I share with you two pieces advice my father gave that I take with me everywhere: - Never say no - always negotiate. - If you don't ask, the answer is no. The reaction you shared is not particularly business savvy. Business relationships (contrary to lots of shitty analogies out there) are not like a friendship/romance. >Leave or don't. If I'm your manager, the moment you expect me to counteroffer I'm planning on…

And I might add that double the salary is a good reason to re-negotiate. You're not jumping for 5-10K, which may be reason not to negotiate ("Hey, he's jumping at the drop of a hat, if I keep him he'll jump at the next offer"), but when you're looking at a severe discrepancy in valuing an employee, it's worth the discussion. For most people a 2x salary is something you can't put down, even if you absolutely love your job. I think most people would understand and if you have a good transition plan you won't burn any bridges.

The counter may or may not be the full 2x. They may counter lower and try to keep some fuzzy items like "You know what it's like here, you enjoy your job", etc.

The counter may involve more responsibility. Why is company Y valuing you at double? Do they expect you to take on different responsibilities? That's definitely going to be a factor in the discussion.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by throwaway420 »

nmc wrote: post #20
throwaway420 wrote: post #2

If you're very early in your career, you probably haven't learned that most companies are very disloyal even to people that show them extreme loyalty. You owe an employer nothing other than giving 100% of your effort for your time there. Unless there is something about this current job that you really, really love, it would be (IMO) pretty foolish to turn down double the salary. I would at least interview with them a…

> "it would be (IMO) pretty foolish to turn down double the salary" Why is that? Is life always better with more money? If the OP is happy with the amount of money he is already making, why should he look for ever-higher salaries?

The implication of my post was that if there was something about his current job that made him really, really happy, he didn't necessarily have to even look at the other job.

Getting a modest raise frequently happens, but doubling your salary in one career jump is pretty rare. Doubling a salary is too big of an increase to ignore for most people.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by a3voices »

throwaway420 wrote: post #12
a3voices wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You owe an employer nothing other than giving 100% of your effort for your time there I disagree. You don't owe your employer anything.

If you don't owe your employer anything, why should he give you any money?

Because he's betting on your productivity. You can choose to make that bet true if you want, but you don't 'owe' it.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

a3voices wrote: post #27
throwaway420 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't owe your employer anything, why should he give you any money?

Because he's betting on your productivity. You can choose to make that bet true if you want, but you don't 'owe' it.

You at least owe them to make a good faith effort to be productive. That's what the money is for.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

One additional thing to consider: Very short stays at a company are a red flag on your resume. Sure, you can probably do it once, at the start of your career, for double the money. But don't do it regularly, or it will hurt your employability.

"I'd feel like a giant douchebag": Others have said that you don't need to feel that way about it. They're right. But if you're still going to feel that way, then don't do it. You've got to live with yourself, and the money isn't worth it at that price.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by a3voices »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #28
a3voices wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because he's betting on your productivity. You can choose to make that bet true if you want, but you don't 'owe' it.

You at least owe them to make a good faith effort to be productive. That's what the money is for.

Well I disagree. If someone wants to give you money, just take it. You can be charitable to them if you want with your effort.
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