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Re: Ask HN: The most efficient method of conveying information is face-to-face

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Post by necovek » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 5:33 AM UTC

inphovore wrote: post #19

necovek wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The operating imperative is “complete”, and that all sides are “competently” literate. That's completely false. There are so many ways to misinterpret any communication. I've so far learned that it's not even sufficient to be "completely" precise: people will "read between the lines" or simply glance over some words and not give weight to every word you may have chosen carefully. And that's normal in a human commun…

what you describe is the kind of incompetence that makes companies require degrees.

I don't see how that is in any way related?

Is this an example of "complete" writing that anyone "competently literate" should get? (I obviously fail, though maybe it's due to me having a degree)

Re: Ask HN: The most efficient method of conveying information is face-to-face

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Post by inphovore » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:04 PM UTC

necovek wrote: post #21

inphovore wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what you describe is the kind of incompetence that makes companies require degrees.

I don't see how that is in any way related? Is this an example of "complete" writing that anyone "competently literate" should get? (I obviously fail, though maybe it's due to me having a degree)

I don’t mean to sound like a troll, though if you’ve ever wondered why companies require degrees (which I don’t have yet I am above average literate and acknowledge their purpose), this is an example.

Those who are not “competent” readers, those who skim without obligation, those who lack established conventions for due diligence, they are troublesome and put the burden of minimum standards upon others.

A minimum degree is one way of establishing that such standards are met.

It may not be seen as relevant, though college level literacy is a standard which supports my point, and is undermined by your response.

I recommend taking responsibility for becoming a more diligent reader. You will benefit in many ways! Such as knowing and appreciating concise qualitative written requirements when you see them.

Re: Ask HN: The most efficient method of conveying information is face-to-face

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Post by necovek » Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 4:48 AM UTC

inphovore wrote: post #22

necovek wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how that is in any way related? Is this an example of "complete" writing that anyone "competently literate" should get? (I obviously fail, though maybe it's due to me having a degree)

I don’t mean to sound like a troll, though if you’ve ever wondered why companies require degrees (which I don’t have yet I am above average literate and acknowledge their purpose), this is an example. Those who are not “competent” readers, those who skim without obligation, those who lack established conventions for due diligence, they are troublesome and put the burden of minimum standards upon others. A minimum deg…

It's a bad example because it's incomplete and false. Even your elaboration is incomplete and false.

Job postings require degrees for a multitude of reasons other than introducing a common standard of communication (like proof of experience and background, certification and legal purposes)

I am a pretty dilligent reader. Does not help at all when everybody else is not a dilligent writer (and even those who are, they are not all the time).

You can either keep enforcing your point in your work (and social) environment and get frustrated, or accept that any form of communication requires repeating, examples and explaining in a different way, no matter how precise, concise and to the point you are. I've tried the former, and while it allows you to consider yourself smarter than everybody else, even that wanes after a while.