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Re: Ask HN: Can't get a job because poor communication skills

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A couple things to think about with this are...

When companies give the reason for turning you down for a job, there's a lot of disincentive for them to give the honest precise real reason (if there is one). There are many ways to be accused of hiring discrimination, whether ageism, sexism, ableism, etc. Basically it's unsafe / unwise for an employer to tell the truth here because it can lead to negative consequences for them, even if their hiring processes are on the up and up.

Similar to when a VC turns down a startup for some reason like fit, I definitely would not take this feedback at face value. Also, culture fit is a generic catch-all bucket for basically anything the company wants besides technical skills, and it may not be well defined.

As you have mentioned, I've also seen less good developers take the roles that better devs should have because they fit into a company's culture more, however that was defined. You probably don't want to work for those kinds of companies. It seems like you're more interested in a culture that values focusing on hard technical work and I think you should seek that out more explicitly.

Keep some good side projects going, have a good reason for your gap time between positions ready for interviewers, and try some mock interviews to get authentic feedback. You can do a free practice interview on Interviewing.io, and I think Pramp is another similar service.

P.S. Don't forget that hiring in our industry is broken. Interviewing for a technical position is a separate skill from developing software. Interviews should focus on making sure a dev would be good at the tasks they'd actually do day-to-day, but often they don't. It's not ideal, but it's just something to keep in mind. Sometimes at smaller cos (startups) it's possible to get hired in other ways and circumvent the traditional interview process.

Re: Ask HN: Can't get a job because poor communication skills

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks dude. That was nice to read. No, I'm not very confrontational and in general I've learnt to act normal very well. If you met me at a meetup or something you probably wouldn't guess I'm autistic at all. I've honestly spent years working on my social skills and it's paid of quite well. In interviews the issue really only comes in when I'm asked really vague questions like, "what gets you excited?" I don't really…

There should exist companies with cultures friendly to people like you. I'm quite surprised that given your high level skills and what seems very minor communication problems, anyone actually judges you that hard. Seems like you had very bad luck with your working environments. Have you tried to research companies with spesific culture that could suit you well? Also maybe you could start your own business and avoid u…

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Re: Ask HN: Can't get a job because poor communication skills

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I think if you're as awesome as you say then start every morning interview with :

"I've got issues communicating but have compensating super powers"

Then go onto give a scripted explanation of what they are , so that it's not impromptu and so that you're evaluated on your own terms.

As someone that's hired many people, I'd respond well to this.

Re: Ask HN: Can't get a job because poor communication skills

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I'm going to toss this out in hopes that it will hope, though I fear that you may take my words wrong. I understand that this is a rant, but I'm concerned about some of the words that you chose. Consider some of these phrases: > And honestly, I don't even see why my autism is a problem. I've always seen my autism and quietness as my super power, and it drive me nuts that you people don't see that too. > I was going t…

Thanks dude. That was nice to read. No, I'm not very confrontational and in general I've learnt to act normal very well. If you met me at a meetup or something you probably wouldn't guess I'm autistic at all. I've honestly spent years working on my social skills and it's paid of quite well. In interviews the issue really only comes in when I'm asked really vague questions like, "what gets you excited?" I don't really…

You're a good person and unemployment sucks, so I'm not going to let this go. Basically, you have a choice. You can wait for the entire world to change, or you can be the change that you want to see.

There isn't anything wrong with you and I'm sorry for my shitty wording. You don't "help" because there's nothing wrong with you. A lot of the programs available to adults on the autism spectrum amount to little more than acting lessons.

I know that the social world is strange, and I understand how judgemental people are. But there are compassionate, understanding people out there who could teach you how to essentially bluff your way through all the weird social interactions we're expected to participate in.

I'd equate this to the movie the Hannibal Lecter movies. I don't think that Anthony Hopkins is a serial killer who likes to eat his victims, but he did a damned good job convincing me that he was. And straight up, I wouldn't let him cook for me...:)

Sorry again - I read over my reply and I overstated the concept of getting help. You don't need help because there's nothing wrong with you. Some pseudo acting lessons though might be tremendously beneficial!

Once again, you're a good person and I'm sorry my first reply was misleading. Take care...

Re: Ask HN: Can't get a job because poor communication skills

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First off you can't self diagnosis yourself with a mental illness. Even experts in the field don't self diagnosis because you have to be objective. Someone that sees a pink elephant from time to time still has to ask someone else if they see it to. There might actually be a pink elephant wondering around. Second you don't have to be a office social butterfly to have good communication skills. Communication skills is…

I think the fact you just called Autism a "Mental illness" - and the fact is is NOT a mental illness, kinda undermines any advice you're giving and indicates you don't understand what Autism is, let alone how it affects people.

"Social/communication", "difficulties" is one small part of autism.

Re: Ask HN: Can't get a job because poor communication skills

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Two questions for you - Is your autism medically "documented"? Are you applying in the US? If both answers are YES then you have to mention it when you apply online in the disability section of the form. In the US it is required by law for companies to acknowledge disabilities. Or should I say, a company can easily get sued for discrimination. That could help you during the recruiting process, if your autism is recor…

I've never been diagnosed, no, and I've never had any interest in doing so although I was often pushed to get a diagnosis in school/college. As I said in another comment it's only ever been a problem in my life when other people make it a problem for me. A principle I will life and die by is that everything I have in life I've earned. I've never accepted any welfare, or any kind of extra help or support in any way my…

one benefit of getting a diagnosis: you learn way more about yourself. Which might help with finding a job/applying to places that suit you. Could be you're applying to the wrong places!

Also, better selfawareness means you can HELP people understand and HELP you! We all live in this world together.

Re: Ask HN: Can't get a job because poor communication skills

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First off you can't self diagnosis yourself with a mental illness. Even experts in the field don't self diagnosis because you have to be objective. Someone that sees a pink elephant from time to time still has to ask someone else if they see it to. There might actually be a pink elephant wondering around. Second you don't have to be a office social butterfly to have good communication skills. Communication skills is…

I think the fact you just called Autism a "Mental illness" - and the fact is is NOT a mental illness, kinda undermines any advice you're giving and indicates you don't understand what Autism is, let alone how it affects people. "Social/communication", "difficulties" is one small part of autism.

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