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Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Find a way to see a psychiatrist you feel comfortable around. For some reason there can be a stigma around that profession but PLEASE don't let that deter you, as it will be tremendously helpful. They can help you see your true self when things seem cloudy.

On top of that, I'd keep trying until you find someone you click with. A lot of people get discouraged when the first doctor or counselor they speak with isn't a good fit.

This is true. There are a lot of terrible therapists and psychiatrists around, and it's hard to know how to choose. Also they are different. Therapists talk, psychiatrists give pills, and they should both rather have both tools for using either or or both as necessary. And Therapists have lots of different wys of operating too. Ask around of recommendations, and don't give up. Get a best friend to help you ehre, in case you feel it's too much. Good luck, there's loads of great advice here.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#192
post #189

Cheer up and speak to someone. I was rejected by one of the big 4, I laughed it off and life went on.

Yes, nothing works as well as saying 'Cheer up' to a person with Depression.

I can only assume you've not experienced the black dog up close, or had someone close to you suffer. For those of us who live with it, it is a truly terrifying thing, that can cripple you to the extent that mere breathing seems like effort.

I'm not being a dick to you by the way, just highlighting that cavalier responses such as yours is why Depression has the taboo it does.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#193
If you used to be intelligent and good at puzzles and have difficulties now, it may be caused by sleep apnea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea). I have moderated sleep apnea and since I take my medic (5 month), I have seen big improvements in memory and a slight improvement in my relationship with other people.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IBM research and pro tennis. Has to be trolling!

I was on a tennis scholarship and played a season of pro tournaments until it was apparent that tennis was not my future. Joined IBM upon graduation. Why is this not plausible?

Sorry it's just funny. 99% of people reading your post telling the other poster not to feel inadequate would feel inadequate. Reminds me of the film Meet the Parents where Owen Wilson is the ex boyfriend who trades commodities and does carpentry in his spare time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETC82KEplac

Apologies, but I did just find it funny. You can't help being good at things and nice enough to post encouraging replies!

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#195
I won't interview at places with interview puzzles anymore.

A day long interview can cost between $500-$1000. They would get much better results if they paid that money to the prospective employee in exchange for solving a small business task and examine their solution.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#196
I've been through a sort of same situation. I became lead product manager of the #1 brazil's startup, 1 month after that, I was fired because I was too depressed and couldn't handle what I achieved.

It's because I got burned-out (due to the trash tech culture).

I felt like not recognizing myself as the guy who achieved the most vertical growth curve in the company. And I was sure I couldn't do it anymore in any place else.

I was sad thinking about the past, "how good I was" and much more sad thinking about "how good I will never be again".

Depressed people forget to live the present, they just think about past and future, it generates a lot of fear, avoidance, procrastination... you are simply putting all your energy where it can't help you.

The present time is your life, live it! The Sun rises everyday. I remember what liberates me about fear was read the phrase:

"Until now, you survived the worst days of your life."

You are strong enough to keep surviving. And think, I know you really don't wanna die, it just seems the only way to reach peace, but it's not.

I like to think the Ironborns:

"What is dead, may never die!"

You have only one life, you can always give up and try again every day. (you're already dead, huh?)

This death thing I'm talking about it's like a germans like to think:

"Don't take life so serious, you will not escape alive".

Talk to your wife, be open, don't be afraid. If she doesn't understand your situation, what you suffering and doesn't support you, leave her. You deserve better.

Try to remove fear from your life. Fear are ruining your career, your dreams, your relationship.

Life is a miracle, don't waste your time, follow your dreams. It's real, you can believe you will succeed, you can believe you will fail, know what? What you believe will become true.

Seems like some guru shit but it's true, I know, you will know.

Live the now, fuck the rest.

(sorry my bad english)

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#197
For me, puzzles are 50/50. I'm not employed by the Big 4, it's not a goal of mine, but with some effort I'm confident I could land a job there.

The issue with puzzles is that they're not relevant to any of the work I do, and if they are it's tangential. I probably lack some insights that people who code day in and day out do, but I doubt it. I was in Austin over the weekend for a tech presentation thing, and I overheard this conversation:

* P1: So what are you working on now?

* P2: Oh, I'm working for a shadow startup

* P1: Nice, what's the stack?

* P2: It's redis, NodeJS and (something I don't remember)

* P1: Cool, that's awesome

To me that sounded like brogrammer culture talk. And P2 turned out to be the one giving the presentation. At the end, I wasn't impressed, there were several mistakes, like giving people who are just starting out code that didn't run, and never trying to run the code in the first place. I asked that we run the code before everyone was dismissed and everyone walked out with a working version

I lost my original point, but it's unlikely sucking at puzzles makes you any bad. Take any criticism in stride, it's unlikely to be a personal reflection of you, defend a point if you have it. You are not your job. Find a hobby?

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#198
Agreed. Way back when, when I was young and stupid and knew everything, my head was full of logic puzzles and programming tricks. So it was easy to solve them in an interview. But today, there are so many things in my head that I cannot keep them all there at the ready...so I usually dump less important things (like puzzles) out of my brain's fast-retrieval cache, and store them in long term memory.

Also, I work on multiple problems at once so I have to do a slow context-switch, and fill my brain's cache with the working-set of the problem (usually by googling stackoverflow etc.) and then solve it quickly, before dumping the cache.

As I developed more wisdom, I usually don't keep small details in my long-term memory, but only repeated patterns and useful details.

Interview questions are more appropriate for a simpler time when programmers were more single-threaded in their heads. They are also heavily biased towards the programming issues of the 1970s and 1980s...doing all of the things which were left out of the standard libraries...recursion, dynamic programming, sorting algorithms, string parsing, set theory, data structures etc. In my humble opinion interviews should focus on questions of style--take this code, refactor it. Refactor it again given new constraints. Multithread it. Make it secure. Refactor it given that you cannot touch this non-optimal code that someone checked in in a hurry and cannot be removed in a short time frame. Etc.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#199
post #54

I worked for a "big 4" (Google) for many years, and now I lead the engineering team at a startup. I've interviewed many hundreds of people. And I've "been there" in anxiety about interviewing for something new. Let me make you a deal: call me up and I'll interview you, no "puzzles". Except instead of this being about a job with me, I'll give you feedback from the interview and any advice I can. You can reach me at mi…

This is, aside from a great gesture, a super pragmatic and efficient way to help someone (engineer style). You've made my morning happier.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#200
There are a couple of things going on here.

First, you are not in a good place mentally. Your self esteem is pretty low and that is the reason you feel like such an outcast at work. Since you're at a big 4 company, odds are good that you have an Employee Assistance Program available to you for free. They can get you set up with a therapist where you can start exploring these issues. The therapist is prohibited from sharing any of this with your employer. Unfortunately, most EAPs only cover a few sessions. In my opinion, though, the benefits of therapy are well worth the cost.

You have to get your emotional issues figured out before you can find the kind of fulfillment you're looking for. Even if you get another job, you will just wind up repeating this same scenario at the next place. I don't doubt that the work culture may be terrible, but the emotional issues you have going on are a core reason you're dealing with this stuff. Your boss is right, you are too nice. Part of being a healthy person is having healthy boundaries. You give and give and give, thinking that it's going to make people like you, but it has the opposite effect because it's just not normal. The end result is that you get excluded.

Second, software hiring is TERRIBLE. It's not just you. I just spent three months searching for a programming job. I got rejection after rejection (usually for doing poorly on those fucking logic puzzles) and it really made me start to doubt my level of expertise. I started making changes to what I was looking for. I changed the target seniority level. I started to lower my salary requirements. Then...boom. I landed a job with the right seniority level for my skills and a salary right at my original target. Now I'm working at the type of company I want, and I'm going to be moving forward in my career. I'm incredibly lucky (and thankful) this opportunity came along or the software hiring process would have convinced me that I simply didn't have the level of skill I thought I had.

Your ability to solve a puzzle is (usually) not indicative of your ability to solve real world business problems. The exception, I think, is at those big companies like you're applying to. So, you need to get better. Fortunately there are a ton of resources out there. If it's important to you to keep working at a huge tech company, then this is the only way to get in unless you have a personal connection. Read some books. Study like it's your job. Eventually stuff will start to make sense.

You have to believe in yourself in order to keep the job search going. That ties into your self esteem. Seek out some counseling, and start studying those brain teasers. You'll get to where you want to be.

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