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Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

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Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#181
Personally my experience has been kinda brutal, having been struggling to find a new job for a few months now. Interviews haven't been that rare all things considered, but as someone who's neurodivergent, it feels like the chances of me getting through one successfully is lower than ever now, especially when there are like 3-5 rounds of meetings and calls to get through.

I'd also say it's a mix of not having the best company experience in the world (even the larger ones I worked for didn't use cutting edge tech), not having enough war stories about times of adversity, and having to compete with both top tier engineers from FAANG companies and liars just using AI to make up everything.

But based on other people's experiences, it seems like some people get way luckier than others in this job market. I know people who've gotten a job in a week or two without any hassle and others who've been out of work for months or years now. One of my friends had probably the best luck I can imagine in that regard; they got laid off from one job and then a week later found a job in the same exactly industry doing the exact same thing at approximately the exact same salary range. They went from designing brochures and posters for medical companies at one company to designing brochures and posters for medical companies at a direct competitor.

But yeah, it seems like a very tough market right now, and one where success pretty much depends on the stars aligning in the right way.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

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post #43

Candidate discovery is absolutely miserable right now. For a lot of people standing out is their resume and their LinkedIn page and the processes that exist just plain aren't getting the right eyes on those. If you're getting recruiters continually its probably less about your qualification (not to downplay them, I'm sure they're lovely) and more about being on a handful of company's candidate and talent banks. Every…

You can also tell how garbage a pipeline ATS screening and other such shit is by the sheer number of positions you see that are advertised for four to six weeks, go off-market only to re-appear 2-3 months later. You know what's even more exhausting for an employer than having to invest energy into the top of your hiring funnel? Having to redo it every few months because an ATS filtered much of the cream off the top a…

Have to be honest, I do sometimes wonder how many of those might be cases of literal liars/scammers getting the roles thanks to heavily puffed up CVs and lots of AI usage, only for said companies to end up needing to lay them off again when they realise their claimed skills don't match reality.

I feel like someone has to be getting past these systems, and I get the feeling it's not the people these companies want to be hiring.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#183

I had a friend with plenty of experience in HR get laid off. He looked for a job for 13 months. One of the top 3 smartest people I’ve ever known looked for seven months and had to take a big step back in his career, despite having Amazon and Home Depot on his resume. Both of them said that even getting an interview was almost impossibly hard. These are people in different parts of the county, and in different industr…

When was he looking and when did he get the job?

Two different friends…

First spent most of 2025 looking.

Second started last week

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#184
Nearly 10 years of experience at Microsoft, I've been looking for a remote position for almost a year.

Even just finding appropriate openings has been next to impossible. Every company seems to be looking for either a generalist (lots of full-stack) or a senior in an exact specialized bucket and stack. My role at Microsoft was a sort of specialized databases/compilers/functional programming hybrid, but without clear buzzwords no one seems interested. What was once a frequent stream of corporate recruiter messages dried up a little over a year ago too.

My suspicion is that things are a lot better for non-remote positions in the usual hubs.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#185

Ragebait. Haven't been contacted by a single recruiter in years. The only time is someone trying to sell me their shitty interview course/grad school program.

And yet, there are other people prepared to say they continue to be contacted by recruiters currently.

I'm contacted by recruiters not constantly, but steadily. But they all want me to accept a pay cut of about 50% for a contract role of 3-6 months half way across the country.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#186

It's primarily a discovery problem, on both sides of the market. Candidate-wise, everyone is slinging ChatGPT'd resumes left and right, which just leads to an arms race where the other side has to use LLMs to filter them, which just makes the situation even worse. The bar for "senior software engineer" is insanely low right now (and no, Leetcode doesn't count - I'm talking more pragmatic skills like being able to use…

> Candidate-wise, everyone is slinging ChatGPT'd resumes left and right, which just leads to an arms race where the other side has to use LLMs to filter them, which just makes the situation even worse.

Everyone had to start doing that to get through the often dumb-as-a-brick ATS system filtering that became farcical - I remember applying for one position that was around building care and management systems for pregnant mothers - EHR, practice management, claims benefits, etc., all of which I had over a decade of experience in. "Name something that might stand you out from the crowd." "In addition to all this I've also delivered 12 babies as a paramedic". Twenty minutes later "we are looking for candidates whose experiences and skill sets are more closely aligned with the role we are looking to fill". That was my push to realize "I need to do something to ATS optimize my resume and plan otherwise I'll be unemployed for months."

> Employer-wise, everyone wants a unicorn that will lick their ass but isn't willing to pay

"Principal Product Manager. Must have 10-15 years experience, much of it in healthcare domain, including leadership and team ownership. Salary range: $90-130K".

Yup.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#187

Having them reach out to you is key. Most job postings get thousands of applicants. I don’t think it’s possible to screen them. I just waded through the first 20 till I found someone who would work and hired him. I most certainly could have done better if I wanted to do a lot of filter and screen legwork. When they reach out you’re skipping the hardest 13mo of the job search. To anyone considering quitting, search fi…

> I just waded through the first 20 till I found someone who would work and hired him.

You get lucky, sometimes. But I also watch that - that mostly leads to "hire someone, can them within 3 months, recycle that job ad". I've seen companies who have taken the same position on and off their Careers page 3+ times a year (for the same req, to be clear, not company growth).

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#188
post #72

There is a lot of "spam" jobs. You see the same offer by the same company for months! with the same generic reject (seriously I think no even check the resume or whatever!). Then, a lot of fake I-am-a-AI "companies and middleman and such things. Ironically, I have been contacted more by somebody looking here in hn than in all the job boards!

I think Wellfound (f/k/a AngelList) is doing this.

The jobs advertised on there are real...

I'd been on the job market four months. Every day I did the rounds: Levels, Wellfound, YC/jobs, Glassdoor, Indeed, LinkedIn.

It is what it is, as a crappy jobs market.

Wellfound? I didn't ever hear from anything from their job ads.

And I'm pretty certain that whatever Wellfound/AngelList was, it has become a company that just markets resume writing services, resume review services, all sorts of other services that draw in your money somehow.

Why do I say that?

120+ applications on Wellfound since then. Crickets. Absolutely nothing.

One day I got an email, "Your profile has been viewed!". Weird, never seen an email like that from Wellfound. Indeed, "You have 1 profile view in the last 90 days".

Huh. 120+ applications, 120+ times me answering filling out Wellfound's content questions on "why you would be a good fit for this role", "tell us about x and y and z", no interviews, no contact, only ONE company has ever even viewed my profile (and for what it's worth, it's not a company that has any positions open).

Well, maybe my answers suck, you say. Maybe my resume isn't as impressive as I think it is.

But similar answers and the same resume get me fairly steady hits on every other site I mentioned, I've got to multiple final rounds, I've been explicitly told I was hirable, I was just the number two, I was "in the top three".

And to be clear, many of the companies I see on WF are advertising on other sites too.

My suspicion? WF does take job listings, but they also harvest them from other sites - the job is real, but there's no-one from the employer reviewing the applications to their "phantom" job... and meanwhile all people like me are doing are providing content for WF to harvest and train models for their AI-driven resume writing and review service and other products.

My AI video interview? Viewed... zero times.

Huh.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#189

I saw this shitstorm brewing back in Jul 2025. Gave up on finding a job. Started 100% looking for cofounding (or at a minimum being a founding engineer in a startup). Networked like crazy. Landed exactly what I wanted. Cool startup, motivated people around me, money to burn on crazy projects. If I had stayed for job hunting, I would be unemployed IMO.

hey, could you please share some tips with the "networking" part? i'm also pivoting in this direction after attending too many sessions and networking, but getting it a point of employment does not seem a reality.

You have to go to conferences and meetups. Paid conferences are worth is most of the time IMO. I spent $500 for the most expensive one and it landed me a really good offer later.

Go to conferences and shake hands with people, try to be friendly and ask questions. Later check companies of people you've met for openings - and ask the guy you met, directly, to put a word in for you, pretty please.

Works really well.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market Actually Bad?

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you mean there are senior software engineers who don't know how to use a *nix terminal? I've been using them since I was like 16 or so.

You can 100% work your way to a senior position without ever leaving windows. The people who are like that just don't tend to be hanging out on platforms like HN.

I am, although I have used nix occasionally.

In Europe C# fills the role of Java.

You're just in an American echo chamber.

Now the number of senior C# engineers in Europe who couldn't fix a broken deploy on IIS or SSL cert problem on a windows server? That is rather high in the windows field too.

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