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Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by aorloff »

simpaticoder wrote: post #62
simonw wrote: post #32

I built you this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered It shows you the Hacker News page with ai and llm stories filtered out. You can change the exclusion terms and save your changes in localStorage. o3 knocked it out for me in a couple of minutes: https://chatgpt.com/share/68766f42-1ec8-8006-8187-406ef452e0... Initial prompt was: Build a web tool that displays the Hacker News homepage (fetched from…

An interesting example of both LLMs' strengths and weaknesses. It is strong because you wrote a useful tool in a few minutes. It is weak because this tool is strongly coupled to the problem: filtering HN. It's an example of the more general problem of people wanting to control what they see. This has existed at least since the classic usenet "killfiles", but is an area that, I believe, has been ripe for a comprehensi…

It is strong because you believed it created something of value. Did it work ? Maybe. But regardless of whether it worked, you still believed in the value, and that is the "power" of AIs right now, that humans believe that they create value.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by ryandrake »

Lerc wrote: post #27

I have seen this question asked on subreddits, Not about AI, but for other topics that some people dislike. They always seem to take the form of "Should we divide this group into A and B, A stays here and B goes over there and that way everybody is happy" Invariably the person who proposes this wants to remain in group A and will not be a participant in group B. To me this seems like the subtext is "Those people are…

> To me this seems like the subtext is "Those people are not welcome here, they are not like us. It's not like we have anything against them, we just don't want them ramming it down our throats"

I am truly tired of AI being rammed down my throat, not just via the tech news, but in article content (slop), in un-asked-for tech product features, and at my own tech job. The solution is not to divide the community and make people unwelcome, but to provide at least some minimal set of filters and ways to opt out of the hype frenzy. I don't want people to feel unwelcome, but I do wish there was a way to turn the AI firehose off.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by IanCal »

pxc wrote: post #48
simonw wrote: post #32

I built you this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered It shows you the Hacker News page with ai and llm stories filtered out. You can change the exclusion terms and save your changes in localStorage. o3 knocked it out for me in a couple of minutes: https://chatgpt.com/share/68766f42-1ec8-8006-8187-406ef452e0... Initial prompt was: Build a web tool that displays the Hacker News homepage (fetched from…

This is neat, but with the given filters you autoselected (just the phrases "llm" and "ai"), of the 14 stories I see when I visit the page, 4 of them (more than 25%!) are still stories about AI. (At least one of them can't be identified by this kind of filtering because it doesn't use any AI-related words in its headline, arguably maybe two.)

> of the 14 stories I see when I visit the page, 4 of them (more than 25%!)

Llm maths? ;)

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

parpfish wrote: post #115
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have seen this question asked on subreddits, "Should we divide this group into A and B, A stays here and B goes over there and that way everybody is happy" To me this seems like the subtext is "Those people are not welcome here" I don't disagree with this observation about Reddit. However, I feel HN readers are more topic-oriented. Folks really do come to HN to read the articles and then maybe get drawn into a di…

> Folks really do come to HN to read the articles and then maybe get drawn into a discussion. based on the number of comments i see that are oblivious to the actual content of the articles, i'm pretty sure the user flow is "Folks come to HN to read headlines and have a conversation, and then maybe get drawn into reading an article"

Those comments can't reflect people who are drawn in by the article but don't engage. Upvotes hint it is a significant number.

Past that, I don't see non-reading commenters being a dominant presence. Some topics draw a few more than normal but that's the worst of it.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by amalcon »

ksec wrote: post #114

People who are a little late to the site may not know there was a time on HN where Erlang has even more frontage submission than the best of AI / LLM. Ruby Rails, Postgres, SQLite, Rust, etc. They all have their moments and I dont think LLM right now is as overwhelming as any other hyped moments. Certainly not Erlang.

Erlang is kind of a special case, since there was that period when the community's preferred response to "too much politics" was to spam submissions about Erlang. Agreed though, it doesn't seem to have taken over more than (say) Bitcoin or Rust have at times.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by Jugurtha »

PaulHoule wrote: post #173
Jugurtha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hanging out on the "new" page and upvoting quality non-AI articles is an effective method of resistance. I hang out in /ask and /asknew for my part. PS: Hey, Paul... When are you going to close my 2021 issue[0], you already merged the pull request[1] :D Come on, man! [0]: https://github.com/paulhoule/gastrodon/issues/10 [1]: https://github.com/paulhoule/gastrodon/pull/11

I will take a look at it.

Will "circle back" in a few years.

Buy my AI/LLM RAG Agentic bot to handle pull-requests and follow-ups based on HN conversations.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by ryandrake »

steveklabnik wrote: post #79
jader201 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just don't want to hear anything about AI ever again. Genuinely curious: Why? Don’t get me wrong, I upvoted this post, and would love to see AI separated out, or at least tagged (like a root comment suggests) so that I can filter them out if I want. But I can’t say I’d never want to hear anything about AI ever again (though I’m headed in that direction). What field are you in, and what are your interests, such th…

Not your parent, and not anti-AI, but I’ve seen similar things to this thread in smaller spaces I’m in. There are some people who are having genuine crises over this stuff, some of it existential, and some of it “wow I thought my friends had some basic agreements about the world that we actually don’t,” and seeing this stuff on the regular just fans these sorts of issues. Also, in a simpler sense, there are a limited…

> Also, in a simpler sense, there are a limited number of homepage spots, and if you don’t want to see a topic, it effectively shrinks your homepage. If HN only showed five stories to me it would be less useful than it is now.

Yes, I feel like all these shallow "[Someone] vibe-coded [thing] with AI using [Claud whatever]" articles are hitting the front page and muscling out other, more interesting ones. Just like the "[Common unix utility] re-written in Rust!" articles of years past.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by bodash »

simonw wrote: post #32

I built you this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered It shows you the Hacker News page with ai and llm stories filtered out. You can change the exclusion terms and save your changes in localStorage. o3 knocked it out for me in a couple of minutes: https://chatgpt.com/share/68766f42-1ec8-8006-8187-406ef452e0... Initial prompt was: Build a web tool that displays the Hacker News homepage (fetched from…

I also built https://lessnews.dev (HN filtered by webdev links)

One decision I had to make was whether the site should update in real time or be curated only. Eventually, I chose the latter because my personal goal is not to read every new link, but to read a few and understand them well.

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by aleksituk »

HN is just a reflection of the community using it. And there's always some area that's hot and trending, common challenge on any platform with a popularity-based curation.

-> But still better than a highly-personalised algo that you don't get to control?

Re: Ask HN: Is it time to fork HN into AI/LLM and "Everything else/other?"

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Post by ryandrake »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #57
jader201 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just don't want to hear anything about AI ever again. Genuinely curious: Why? Don’t get me wrong, I upvoted this post, and would love to see AI separated out, or at least tagged (like a root comment suggests) so that I can filter them out if I want. But I can’t say I’d never want to hear anything about AI ever again (though I’m headed in that direction). What field are you in, and what are your interests, such th…

Not the OP, but I'm sick to death of hearing about AI The hype around it is ridiculous. I don't personally find it nearly as useful as people are saying, so everything feels like people are trying to gaslight me Don't get me wrong, it's cool tech. Amazing stuff. I just personally don't have much interest in it until it's much more reliable for the things I want to use it for And I'm really exhausted, tired of hearing…

> And I'm really exhausted, tired of hearing about how this is going to replace people like me any minute now

I'm kind of exhausted in general (year after year) of frankly unimaginative engineers who should know better, latching on to whatever is the latest soup of the month, and touting it here as the greatest human achievement since fire.

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