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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by Wistar »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #100
haunter wrote: post #32

4K monitors. You need a soundbar though or some kind of audio setup + remote. Also no built-in tuner or such but I assume you get a set top box from your service provider or use a streaming device (Apple TV, Fire stick etc.) 4K OLED https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=7 4K IPS https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=2 4K VA https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P…

It's amazing how much more expensive those are than traditional TVs, non-starter even.

Here's a nice NEC 220" display. Helpfully, BH offers monthly payments.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1533261-REG/nec_led_f...

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by treesknees »

ff317 wrote: post #68
yupper32 wrote: post #52

Why don't people like their Smart TVs? I've had a 4k smart TV for years and love it. Being able to stream without needing my phone is great. It seems ironic that people are complaining about smart TV ads while the [2] link in the OP has an absolutely MASSIVE video ad that takes up 2/3s of the screen. And it's not like you're not being tracked when you stream from a Roku stick / Chromecast. Edit: I have a 4k Samsung t…

Because it's cheap to replace a roku/chromecast as technology evolves, but TVs tend to be longer-term investments. Hating smart TVs is akin to hating cars that have built-in factory navigation systems. Content streaming devices/services (and mapping/navigation/music for cars) regularly evolve/change with the fast pace of technology and the Internet, while TVs and Cars are hardware you hang onto for a long period of y…

One thing you're forgetting is that smart TVs are much cheaper because the cost is subsidized by the apps, software, and ads. This is why many of these "dumb TVs" aren't hundreds of dollars cheaper than their smart cousins.

In my opinion it doesn't matter if outdated software is "baked into your hardware forever" because all I have to do is disable the Internet settings, and plug in a roku/chromecast just like you would on your dumb TV. Difference is my subsidized TV cost way less. In terms of value over time (which is what I assume you meant by calling it an investment) a smart TV makes way more sense even if you don't use the smart features.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by [deleted] »

caymanjim wrote: post #99
jjoonathan wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. Per the pcpartpicker link, maybe the Gigabyte FO48U will change that, but it's still out of stock. Besides, I feel like this has happened before with HDR and 4k and IPS. First it shows up in TVs, a year later it is cheap i…

TV display quality is dogshit compared to monitors. Even cheap low-end monitors tend to have better displays. They aren't the same panels at all.

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by jjoonathan »

dragonwriter wrote: post #178
jjoonathan wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. Per the pcpartpicker link, maybe the Gigabyte FO48U will change that, but it's still out of stock. Besides, I feel like this has happened before with HDR and 4k and IPS. First it shows up in TVs, a year later it is cheap i…

> Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? Well, “always” seems like an exaggeration; consumer monitors were far beyond 480i before consumer TVs were. > It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. That’s not monitors being behind in tech, that’s TVs being cheaper because of economies of scale and opportuni…

Scale and ads are plausible explanations for why monitors are behind in tech, but they're still behind in tech.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by mjcohen »

Wistar wrote: post #181
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing how much more expensive those are than traditional TVs, non-starter even.

Here's a nice NEC 220" display. Helpfully, BH offers monthly payments. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1533261-REG/nec_led_f...

$317,999.00 $13250/mo. suggested payments with 24 Mos. Promo Financing* Learn More Important Notice This item is noncancelable and nonreturnable.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by acomjean »

lvass wrote: post #176
haunter wrote: post #32

4K monitors. You need a soundbar though or some kind of audio setup + remote. Also no built-in tuner or such but I assume you get a set top box from your service provider or use a streaming device (Apple TV, Fire stick etc.) 4K OLED https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=7 4K IPS https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=2 4K VA https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P…

>Apple TV, Fire stick etc. That's just offloading the problem to a separate device.

I think they help by siloing the snooping.

Our smart TV seems to actively try to figure out what is attached to the HDMI. Its probably reporting that back. At least every time I plug my notebook into the tv it seems to wait at least 20 seconds before forcing me to select "PC" as the input device. The old tv the notebook shows up instantaneously.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by basch »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #92
29athrowaway wrote: post #27

You can simply connect them to the internet then disconnect them. Change the WiFi SSID or password id necessary.

Why connect them in the first place?

Firmware updates, changes to post processing, motion processing, fald backlighting software, enhanced gaming features.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by Hamuko »

jjoonathan wrote: post #108
brtkdotse wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TV manufacturers can offset the lower price by selling ads to show you on your “smart” tv

That wouldn't explain the delay, and do they really expect to sell $3000 of ads per customer? I have doubts.

They get money from the ads, they get money from selling your usage data, they get money by selling space on the remote for streaming apps, and probably through some other means as well.
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