What's a good business model for this kind of company? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23106043
Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone first makes a false accusation, then post a “correction” only to double down on a lesser yet still false accusation, I’d say it’s reason enough to conclude that they’re arguing in bad faith and attempting to slander. You don’t need to spread false information to make a possibly valid point. People also increasingly use this sort of “yeah, they play fast and loose with facts but they have a point so cheers”…
> If someone first makes a false accusation, then post a “correction” only to double down on a lesser yet still false accusation, I’d say it’s reason enough to conclude that they’re arguing in bad faith and attempting to slander. You aren't listening to what he's saying: "If you have reason to be concerned about the CCP undermining your communications infrastructure, it's a distinction without a difference. The reaso…
Anything related to China CCP has large enough security concern chance. This is due to political motive to have control of information flow on everything they can.
Any team in China can be enforced to provide one or more means to obtain more data or can't operate smoothly. (See Google)
This is not "anti-China", more like "anti anti-privacy" (what's the opposite of privacy?). Same goes for any US company that does anti-privacy things like Google.
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Were you unaware that the founder of Zoom is an American or are you implying that the company is Chinese despite that?
Nobody implied this. Clearly stated was the concern of the majority of development being in the PRC impacting US government use of Keybase.
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#174Signal App - Completely open source https://signal.org/en/
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#175I think the only complete alternative is to successfully persuade the Keybase team to release their server code under an open source license. Their client is already open source. https://github.com/keybase The only other alternative is a mishmash of multiple apps that each do part of what Keybase does.
That would be really great, but feels like very unlikely as well. If they could open source it, why didn't they do it before?
Now that the deal is done and appears to have been primarily an acquihire focused on adding E2E to Zoom, Keybase may be low enough priority for Zoom that open sourcing it is a viable option now.
Eg, it doesn’t sound like Zoom wants to allocate any dev time to Keybase, wants to stay focused on Zoom, and probably can’t sell Keybase without its developer team who are all working on Zoom now. So hopefully they’ll just open source it and let the community take over.
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You list a bunch of terms as if in a 'gotcha' manner, but pretty much all of those things have a different side to the story. I'll start with one thing, because addressing them all takes too long. What is the "different side to the story" of involuntary organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners? > You think the Hong Kong rioters are fighting for freedom? Yes. > Take a look at how they attack innocent wo…
> What is the "different side to the story" of involuntary organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners? It's about the accuracy of the claim that there's involuntary harvesting going on: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harve... There was harvesting going on of prisoners that have already been executed. China admitted as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbxvZ2lIR08 This practice h…
What's problematic to me is that a government censors information that could change people's minds. How can we call "legitimate" a government that is not allowing those who are supposed to be the source of its legitimacy, to access opinions and ideas that could influence their choice of which party they would legitimise?
Of course it would be hypocritical to say that our western governments don't try to do the same. But at least they are forced to limit the scope of their control to information that can somewhat fit under the umbrella of "National Security" -and at least their propaganda is forced to compete with everything else out there. Censoring by force books, websites and public media that express vastly opposing ideas is out of the question -as it should be -don't you agree?
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just a quick note on WKD since I've been bitten by this a few days ago: as soon as you set it up, some people will start using your keys automatically, without even knowing it (eg. it seems that ProtonMail automatically uses keys found on a WKD to encrypt outgoing mails). While in itself it's not a bad idea, you'd better prepare for this to avoid looking stupid like me, when you receive a casual encrypted mail and yo…
Using WKD is also a good way to solicit useless “security”-related emails from people running questionable automated scanners.
As soon as something is well-known, it will be abused by spammers/scammers.
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If someone first makes a false accusation, then post a “correction” only to double down on a lesser yet still false accusation, I’d say it’s reason enough to conclude that they’re arguing in bad faith and attempting to slander. You aren't listening to what he's saying: "If you have reason to be concerned about the CCP undermining your communications infrastructure, it's a distinction without a difference. The reaso…
For me I just stop responding to anyone focusing on minor details and missing the point Anything related to China CCP has large enough security concern chance. This is due to political motive to have control of information flow on everything they can. Any team in China can be enforced to provide one or more means to obtain more data or can't operate smoothly. (See Google) This is not "anti-China", more like "anti ant…
We're not talking legalese, we're talking about privacy. It's quite easy to defame an argument by nitpicking, but the holistic view that anything developed or with tightly or loosely coupled links to China by default. Explicitly should be called out as being untrusted.
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#179Signal App - Completely open source https://signal.org/en/
Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?
#180Signal App - Completely open source https://signal.org/en/
Does signal still require me to share a phone number?
The server is open-source so you could host your own server -though that's not very practical due to the client situation (not really a variety of configurable ones, so you'd probably need to change/package/distribute the official).